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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying disk has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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fade to black

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bespoke radio

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uh yeah man how you doing today is

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monday december 6 2021.

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340 days into the new year

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only 25 days left

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere a total

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undisclosed location

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but it is beautiful

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it's really nice

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kj cr

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and the on x networks i'm your host

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jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you

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doing how you doing we got a great week

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on the show this week

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very special guest professor avi loeb

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joins us to discuss the galileo project

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tomorrow night it is the return of jason

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quit

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wednesday night live from peru

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jorge luis delgado

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cannot wait and then thursday is another

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fader night with open lines all night

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long

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how you doing

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i am great

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let me start off with this

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everybody wants their own crystal skull

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you know i've got a family of them just

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sitting right over here and they are

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nice and you want one of your very own

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and it's all simple to do

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all you got to do is click on carolyn

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ford's banner at jimmychurchradio.com

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right now visit her einstein website

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go

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use the promo code jimmy right in time

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for the holidays and get 10

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off of your crystal skull order today

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einstein the crystalskull.com

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it's a great website i poked around

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there this weekend oh man

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lots of nice stuff over there go get

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yourself your own crystal skull

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i don't know if i have a

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i used to i don't i don't know if i do

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anymore they're all

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they all have their own little meaning

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at j church radio oh look at that cavs

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that's a nice girl i love that

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color it's kind of like coffee

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that's a gorgeous skull right there

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that is a gorgeous skull yeah follow me

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on twitter at j church radio hashtag f2b

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is the sandbox you can go and check out

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what everybody else is posting right now

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let's get to the breaking news hundreds

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she is the best and uh

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this is breaking news

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hundreds of colombian tarantulas

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illegally bound for europe were seized

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those cockroaches down there man oh

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kid i'm in summer school because i

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millions that's all i've got to say

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all right albatrosses mate for life

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about 15 500 albatross couples live on

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incredible climate change

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trader joe's now talked about eggnog

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last week

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uh here on the show talked about eggnog

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the same creamy satisfying nutmeg and

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it's got water

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that's got to be tasty

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let's get this show cracking happy

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birthday to today

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rem guitars peter buck

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our dead guy's birthday today is

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randy to this very day

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influential musicians for his or any

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on this day in history 1917

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the most devastating man-made explosion

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in the pre-atomic age occurs

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on this day in nineteen seventeen fader

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in 2011

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an egg sized meteorite believed to be

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the family's last name was

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tonight we have very special guest

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professor avi loeb joins us to discuss

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the galileo project tomorrow night it's

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the return of jason quit jq

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jason quit returns tomorrow night and

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then wednesday night

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live from peru jorge luis delgado

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thursday night is another fader night

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with open lines all night long now it's

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time for me to hit this

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rivermoonwellness.com yeah

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i gotta do it right

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how you doing

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it's like this

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randy rhodes

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it was almost 40 years ago

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when i got the phone call at my desk at

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and i really remember they moved to my

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i had when i first hired nfl labs they

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right when i first got there they had me

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back in the drafting department they

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hadn't made room yet in the art group

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for me so i'm back with all the other

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they moved me up to

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shadeland avenue had a window in front

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when i got the call there at bell labs

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he caught and he just went straight at

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randy rhodes just died in a plane

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just like staring at the window

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and the the conversation didn't last too

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long you know i just hung up the phone

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the thing um

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00:14:08,470 --> 00:14:05,519
you know i

293
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people die all the time

294
00:14:12,470 --> 00:14:10,480
the cycle of life you know what affects

295
00:14:14,389 --> 00:14:12,480
you john lennon died that didn't really

296
00:14:16,949 --> 00:14:14,399
affect me john bonham when he died

297
00:14:20,150 --> 00:14:16,959
didn't really affect me you know bowie

298
00:14:21,509 --> 00:14:20,160
messed with me of course eddie van halen

299
00:14:22,310 --> 00:14:21,519
but um

300
00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:22,320
a

301
00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:49,760
of oz

302
00:14:53,590 --> 00:14:52,160
i bought it that day

303
00:14:55,829 --> 00:14:53,600
and from

304
00:14:56,790 --> 00:14:55,839
what i recall

305
00:14:58,470 --> 00:14:56,800
nothing

306
00:15:01,910 --> 00:14:58,480
was really playing on the radio from

307
00:15:04,150 --> 00:15:01,920
that album now i i had heard crazy train

308
00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:04,160
like once or twice

309
00:15:08,790 --> 00:15:06,480
um but that was about it there was a

310
00:15:11,110 --> 00:15:08,800
little buzz going around about ozzie's

311
00:15:12,550 --> 00:15:11,120
new album you know black sabbath at the

312
00:15:14,069 --> 00:15:12,560
time was uh

313
00:15:16,389 --> 00:15:14,079
searching for a singer maybe they had

314
00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:16,399
ronnie james deal by then

315
00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:18,240
um but uh

316
00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:20,000
there wasn't much out there

317
00:15:23,829 --> 00:15:21,600
but for me

318
00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:23,839
it was like you know who is this guitar

319
00:15:29,430 --> 00:15:26,880
player randy rhodes

320
00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:29,440
you know and and nobody had heard of him

321
00:15:32,389 --> 00:15:31,199
remember it was a different world back

322
00:15:34,069 --> 00:15:32,399
then

323
00:15:35,749 --> 00:15:34,079
uh you know with all of the obvious

324
00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:35,759
things i don't need to get into you know

325
00:15:39,509 --> 00:15:38,000
like no internet no mtv

326
00:15:41,430 --> 00:15:39,519
you know back then he had like hit

327
00:15:43,189 --> 00:15:41,440
parader magazine

328
00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:43,199
rolling stone

329
00:15:47,110 --> 00:15:45,440
you had your local dj

330
00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:47,120
you know giving you the music news on

331
00:15:50,230 --> 00:15:48,240
the radio

332
00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:50,240
but heavy metal you know like black

333
00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:52,880
sabbath this stuff just wasn't covered

334
00:15:57,509 --> 00:15:54,880
in the magazines

335
00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:57,519
i mean not yet at least back then you

336
00:16:01,670 --> 00:16:00,160
really had to dig for it seriously you

337
00:16:02,949 --> 00:16:01,680
know those were my bands and i could

338
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:02,959
never find

339
00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:06,399
any news about black sabbath no you know

340
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:09,040
it was like you know black sabbath was

341
00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:10,000
just

342
00:16:13,269 --> 00:16:11,360
it was weird man it was like the

343
00:16:15,189 --> 00:16:13,279
red-headed stepchild

344
00:16:17,829 --> 00:16:15,199
of the music industry especially with

345
00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:17,839
you know magazines like hit parader and

346
00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:20,800
and uh rolling stone

347
00:16:25,189 --> 00:16:23,040
and uh i remember

348
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:25,199
playing blizzard of oz for the first

349
00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:28,079
time on my dad's stereo my dad had a

350
00:16:32,949 --> 00:16:31,120
badass stereo and uh

351
00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:32,959
still to this day he's got a reputation

352
00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:36,320
was pretty pretty serious but anyway

353
00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:39,279
my next door neighbor mark pratt

354
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:42,880
and randy smiley who uh later would call

355
00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:44,800
me at bell labs

356
00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:48,240
uh randy uh mark lived next door randy

357
00:16:52,470 --> 00:16:50,560
lived across the street

358
00:16:55,110 --> 00:16:52,480
and all three of us were in my parents

359
00:16:57,430 --> 00:16:55,120
living room when i dropped the needle

360
00:16:59,910 --> 00:16:57,440
and the first track on blizzard of oz

361
00:17:02,870 --> 00:16:59,920
was i don't know

362
00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:02,880
and it was the very first time that all

363
00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:04,720
of us had heard it

364
00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:06,959
that was the first time seriously and

365
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:08,959
looking back it was truly a moment in

366
00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:12,000
time especially now

367
00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:14,160
with how important of a song it turned

368
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,720
out to be but man we were listening to

369
00:17:19,590 --> 00:17:18,480
it for the first

370
00:17:24,150 --> 00:17:19,600
time

371
00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:24,160
and i was like what is going on here

372
00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:26,559
anyway

373
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:28,160
we wore the album out there's no

374
00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:30,480
question about it that much is certain

375
00:17:36,310 --> 00:17:34,400
but uh right after its release

376
00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:36,320
ozzy was on tour

377
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:39,520
and indy was on the schedule

378
00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:41,280
and uh we're all excited and you know

379
00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:43,039
ozzie's coming to town and black sabbath

380
00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:44,960
was coming to town with uh

381
00:17:51,430 --> 00:17:48,480
with uh ronnie james dio too as well

382
00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:51,440
and uh i immediately

383
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:53,840
immediately

384
00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:55,360
bought a pair of tickets at karma

385
00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:58,240
records as soon as i found out he was on

386
00:18:01,669 --> 00:18:00,320
that schedule man i was right there

387
00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:01,679
karma records

388
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:04,559
give me my aussie tickets got him

389
00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:07,520
and my memory says now this is kind of

390
00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:10,160
like indie legend here

391
00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:12,559
this is indy legend

392
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:15,520
because originally they were supposed to

393
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:17,440
play market square arena and black

394
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:19,200
sabbath was at the same time it's play

395
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:20,960
market square arena i went to that show

396
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:22,000
too

397
00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:22,880
but

398
00:18:30,470 --> 00:18:27,280
to support

399
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:30,480
market square arena for ozzie

400
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:31,280
so

401
00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:33,280
i think they bounced down to like the

402
00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:36,400
convention center you know the the the

403
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:38,080
show's coming up the date's coming up

404
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:39,440
and there was not enough ticket sales

405
00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:40,640
for that

406
00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:42,880
you know lack of sales

407
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,559
and eventually the show was scheduled

408
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:48,720
for the circle theater

409
00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:50,799
in downtown indy

410
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:52,400
and this was a place i had never heard

411
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:53,760
of

412
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:55,120
at the time

413
00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:57,760
but mark and i my neighbor mark pratt

414
00:19:01,909 --> 00:18:59,360
mark and i were there

415
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:01,919
before the doors opened you know first

416
00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:04,160
in line right there right against

417
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:05,919
right there we were first

418
00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:08,960
in the rain by the way no bs

419
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:11,120
and uh

420
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:14,880
and when they let us in out of the rain

421
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:21,029
and it's tiny

422
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:23,600
i was kind of shocked

423
00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:25,840
and i i mean i couldn't believe it and

424
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:27,520
the people that say

425
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:29,120
that they were at that show at the

426
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:30,720
circle theater i think the circle

427
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:33,280
theater held like 500 people

428
00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:35,760
and you could i don't know i don't 600

429
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:37,039
it was tiny

430
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:39,840
and the amount of people today that say

431
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:41,280
that they were at that show that

432
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:44,000
probably numbers 50 000

433
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:45,280
in india

434
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:47,600
and somebody's not telling the truth

435
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:49,760
that place is tiny anyway

436
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:53,520
uh there we were mark and i front row we

437
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:56,720
were first in the doors ran down

438
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:58,480
i mean imagine going to a movie theater

439
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:59,840
in your local neighborhood that's how

440
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:01,280
big this place was

441
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:03,840
so uh there we were

442
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:04,960
front row

443
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:12,630
and def leppard opened

444
00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:15,360
never heard of def leppard

445
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:17,600
i think the average age of def leppard

446
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:20,480
at that time was like 16.

447
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:23,360
pete willis man he was like this anyway

448
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:26,000
never heard of def leppard they rocked

449
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:28,480
uh eventually mtv happened and def

450
00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:30,240
leppard happened and stuff but at this

451
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:32,799
time nobody ever heard of def leopard

452
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:34,400
and uh

453
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:35,440
but

454
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:36,720
wow

455
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:39,120
i got to see randy like

456
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:40,400
this close

457
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:43,520
the stage was at my knees

458
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:45,280
it was it was crazy

459
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:46,960
and uh

460
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,919
wow it was insane it was

461
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:51,679
it was insane i i

462
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:54,880
i said for months after that

463
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,400
then i had randy rhodes sweat just all

464
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:01,039
over my and i i did

465
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:02,640
it was hot in there

466
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,880
it was crazy now right after all of this

467
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:06,880
went down

468
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:09,520
diary of a madman was released a few

469
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:11,200
months later maybe six months later or

470
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,400
something like that but they were like

471
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,559
right back to back a diary of a madman

472
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,480
comes out i really like that album i

473
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:18,240
like them both about the same

474
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:21,520
um by this time though

475
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,320
randy had pretty much taken over the

476
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:26,080
world of guitar you know it was just him

477
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:27,520
and eddie

478
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:29,440
and it was a great time to be a guitar

479
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:31,360
player like me when you're you know 15

480
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,919
years old like that 16

481
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:34,799
and

482
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,960
you had these two guitar greats that

483
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:39,919
were just

484
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,240
playing these new styles and everything

485
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,400
was fresh man it was just great

486
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:47,039
it was awesome it was awesome

487
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:49,760
and uh and then

488
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:52,720
it was announced that the diary tour

489
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,880
was also coming to indy like it was back

490
00:22:02,390 --> 00:21:56,559
to back

491
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,400
to be at market square and i'm going to

492
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:04,240
buy another pair of tickets same

493
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:09,350
this time around i go with my drummer

494
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,000
jerry reeskamp

495
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:14,159
jerry's got cancer right now and and uh

496
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:15,520
jerry if you're listening love you

497
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:16,480
brother

498
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,120
just keep fighting that thing anyway

499
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:21,760
so my drummer jerry reese camp

500
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:25,280
and uh we get to the arena early uh we

501
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:27,520
were first through the doors

502
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,840
and we made the mad dash down to the

503
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:32,000
floor level there at market square arena

504
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:33,280
and

505
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:37,600
right there front row this time

506
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:41,360
a little to the right of center

507
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,320
right where randy would be standing in

508
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,559
front of us for the night

509
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:48,559
and that was an amazing show they had

510
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:52,000
the big castle on the stage and you know

511
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:53,280
it's amazing

512
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,280
but here's the deal by this time i had

513
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:57,760
seen most of the great bands and the one

514
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,240
thing i noticed above all else

515
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,400
that randy

516
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,720
and his sound

517
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:06,240
was clear

518
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:10,400
you heard the notes it was never sloppy

519
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:13,200
technical yes fast for sure

520
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:16,400
at times yeah of course but everything

521
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:18,880
was always crystal clear

522
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:23,200
you heard every single note

523
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:27,039
now years later as everyone knows by now

524
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,080
i uh i partnered up with rudy sarzo and

525
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:32,320
we had a studio together at his home in

526
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:33,679
sherman oaks

527
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,400
we did that for about seven years

528
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:38,000
rudy of course

529
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:40,880
played bass in ozzy with randy but he

530
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:43,840
was also in quiet riot with randy before

531
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:46,720
the two of them joined up with ozzy

532
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,279
and he was also on the bus when the

533
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,360
plane that randy was in

534
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:54,080
crashed into it

535
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:55,600
and until

536
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,149
it's like this

537
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:01,760
i'm emotional when i talk about the

538
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:03,919
stuff through all the years of hanging

539
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,440
out with rudy

540
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,679
we never talked about it

541
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:09,919
until one day i had a friend over at the

542
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:12,159
studio with this named jeff

543
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,360
and he turns to rudy and says hey man

544
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:17,200
weren't you on the bus that day that

545
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:18,480
randy died

546
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,120
i'd never talked to rudy about this

547
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:23,520
and rudy just laid it all out

548
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:25,840
from beginning to end

549
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,559
now i remember when i sat there

550
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,880
listening to the events

551
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,120
all i could do was

552
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,039
was think about that day at bell labs

553
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:37,520
when i got the call

554
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,640
and

555
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,480
the truth is

556
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:42,240
that with all of this

557
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:45,279
after 40 years

558
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,640
we still remember randy rhodes

559
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:50,720
we do

560
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:52,080
so all i have to say is i hope he's

561
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:55,520
listening right now happy birthday randy

562
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:58,400
you changed the world

563
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,320
and i truly mean it truly mean it

564
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,320
it's uh

565
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:05,840
heartbreaking

566
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:09,760
you know 25 years old so fresh

567
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:12,159
getting it done

568
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:13,200
tonight

569
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:16,720
here on fade to block professor avi loeb

570
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,690
joins us

571
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,200
[Music]

572
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,919
he's here to discuss the galileo project

573
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:23,360
now listen

574
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,080
this interview was recorded

575
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,720
a couple of hours ago right before show

576
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,200
time i just wrapped it up got it ready

577
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,919
for the show now which means

578
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,360
you know he's got to teach class in the

579
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:37,520
morning he can't stay up late with us

580
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,320
but

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host jimmy church what a great week

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we've got coming up tonight professor

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avi loeb is joining us tomorrow night

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of jason quit and then wednesday night

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jorge luis delgado is live from peru

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thursday's another fader night with open

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lines all night long but tonight it's

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professor avilobe of harvard university

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joining us to discuss the galileo

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00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,559
project and the hunt for evidence of et

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and etc here

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throughout the milky way and beyond

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avi is a theoretical physicist who works

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on astrophysics and cosmology he is the

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frank b baer junior professor of science

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at harvard university he has had the

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longest serving chair of harvard's

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department of astronomy from 2011 to

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2020 founding director of harvard's

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black hole initiative and director of

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the institute for theory and computation

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and

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all of that within the harvard

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smithsonian center for astrophysics he

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has written eight books including most

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recently the best-selling

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extraterrestrial the first sign of

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intelligent life beyond earth and i

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would like to welcome back to fade to

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black professor avi loeb avi

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good evening my man how you doing

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i'm doing great thanks for having me

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it's a great pleasure and uh here here's

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the deal uh we're going to be talking

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about the galileo project tonight but

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i want to back up for a second and

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remind the audience

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that to most you just burst on the scene

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four years ago with omua

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you you got your phd in physics at the

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age of 24.

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and back in 2012 time magazine selected

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you as one of the 25 most influential

719
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people in space you've been at this for

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a very long time

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what what got the interest started

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well i remember as a child

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attending dinners where i would ask a

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difficult question and the adults in the

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room would pretend that they know the

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answer and that bothered me because it

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was obvious they don't know the answer

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and that was the good situation the bad

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situation was when they would dismiss

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the question and say this question is

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irrelevant simply because they didn't

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know the answer and i thought that by

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going into science i will be able to

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answer the questions myself

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and not be worried about

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anything and and simply you know when

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you have tenure in academia you're

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supposed to have job security and

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i thought that i would be surrounded by

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like-minded people and that's pretty

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much what laid the foundation for me to

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work on science and you know over the

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years i worked i ended up in

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astrophysics studying the universe and

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uh and

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i worked on the

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beginning of the universe when the first

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stars formed and the first galaxies and

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i worked on black holes and the one

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thing i noticed is you know very often

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we don't have enough

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to decide what is the correct

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explanation for what we are seeing and

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uh under those circumstances it's quite

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standard for us to imagine possible

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explanations and then

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get more evidence and rule out those

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that do not stand up to the data and you

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know that's the same approach as

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sherlock holmes adapt adapted in

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in this fictional story where he would

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this exclude all

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possibilities that are on the table and

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whatever remains must be the truth and

765
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that's the approach that science takes

766
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,440
and and then then omar came along and

767
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,679
that was an object that came from

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outside the solar system we knew that

769
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for sure because it moved too fast to be

770
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bound to the sun it was the first object

771
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:26,399
discovered near earth that came from

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spotted by a telescope in hawaii the

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size of a football field

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and of course the astronomers

775
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,440
immediately said well it must be a comet

776
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because

777
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,399
you know most of the objects that come

778
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,800
from the outskirts of the solar system

779
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,560
are comets and

780
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:48,879
they are simply rocks covered with ice

781
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,760
and if we imagine another star having

782
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:53,919
objects like that you know these are the

783
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:56,399
objects that are most easily

784
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,440
uh dislodged from other planetary

785
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:00,960
systems because they are in the

786
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,200
outskirts and any passing star can just

787
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,440
kick them out of the system and

788
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:07,920
so astronomers imagine this must be a

789
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,800
comment they gave it the name of a comet

790
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:12,720
and then it turned out that there is no

791
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:14,800
commentary tale that you know it's just

792
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:17,920
like saying uh you know that

793
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:18,720
uh

794
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,160
and then a kid comes along and says the

795
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,560
emperor has no clothes you know and and

796
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,800
that's the way i felt that you know

797
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,200
whatever people think that this object

798
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,680
is it doesn't seem to show that it's not

799
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,520
a comet and then the spitzer space

800
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,160
telescope looked very deeply and and

801
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,640
couldn't see and couldn't trace any

802
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:42,320
carbon-based molecules not only we

803
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,359
couldn't see a cometary tail visibly but

804
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,839
there was nothing evaporating from this

805
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,560
object and then it looked weirder and

806
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:52,960
weirder and that's what drew me

807
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,000
into it because here is an object that

808
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,480
did not look like objects we have seen

809
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,960
before didn't look like a comet also

810
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,480
didn't look like an asteroid that we

811
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:04,240
have seen before because as it was

812
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,280
tumbling

813
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,119
every eight hours the amount of sunlight

814
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:09,119
reflected from it changed by a factor of

815
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:09,920
ten

816
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,400
and that meant a very extreme shape most

817
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:14,960
likely flat and then it was pushed away

818
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,520
from the sun by some mysterious force

819
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,359
and since it was not evaporating it

820
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,280
wasn't clear what's pushing it so there

821
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:23,839
were all these weird things about it

822
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:26,960
and you know um my colleagues that

823
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:29,920
worked for decades on rocks in the solar

824
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:32,320
system they wanted to pretend that they

825
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,359
are experts on the subject and they said

826
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:37,440
you know it must be natural because

827
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:38,960
that's what they are used to natural

828
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,320
objects uh that's what they always see

829
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:44,640
in the dating scene of the of the solar

830
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:47,520
system i think of it as dating an object

831
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,560
you know that

832
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:50,400
you go on a date and suddenly you see

833
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,839
something different and you say okay

834
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,760
well it must be similar to the objects

835
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,920
i've seen before you know if you imagine

836
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,760
a caveman finding a cellphone the

837
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,000
caveman would say oh it's a rock of a

838
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,079
type that i've never seen before you

839
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,079
know and that's pretty much the

840
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,560
consensus of the mainstream and uh but

841
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:09,200
for me it was different because i came

842
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,960
from other areas of studying the

843
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,720
universe where if something unusual

844
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:14,880
comes along if something anomalous comes

845
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:17,040
along you start to

846
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:19,359
imagine new possibilities and in this

847
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,000
case i imagine that it may be artificial

848
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:24,960
and you know a year ago in september

849
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,520
2020 there was another object discovered

850
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,240
by the same telescope which shared the

851
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:31,920
qualities of

852
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,400
it was pushed away from the sun

853
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,119
and moreover it didn't have any cometary

854
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:39,920
tail and this object was given the name

855
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:44,160
2020 so and then a few weeks later it

856
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:46,240
was realized that it actually

857
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:49,520
was artificial in fact it was created by

858
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,880
nasa and launched in 1966

859
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:55,680
as pa as a rocket booster and

860
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,920
um to me that illustrated the fact that

861
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:59,520
we can tell the difference between an

862
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:01,920
artificial object and a natural object

863
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:04,560
so it sort of closed the circle for me

864
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,599
but not for my colleagues and you know i

865
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:09,520
there is no point in arguing about this

866
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,320
it's not a philosophical question so a

867
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:14,240
few months ago i established the galileo

868
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:16,800
project who's one of his goals its goals

869
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:20,400
is to discover more objects like it and

870
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:23,359
date them and look for the next

871
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:26,320
it's sort of like dating the next

872
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,320
and and and by the way the real question

873
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,160
in the context of this project is you

874
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,320
know such a space mission might cost a

875
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:36,240
billion dollars to send a camera that

876
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,079
will come close to such an object so you

877
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,079
get a high resolution image so that

878
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:42,480
nobody can argue whether it's artificial

879
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:43,599
or natural

880
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,040
and

881
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,040
the real question is not what hamlet

882
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:49,839
said that to be you know to be or not to

883
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,640
be it's actually to rendezvous or not to

884
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,920
rendezvous

885
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:55,920
that's a billion dollar

886
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:58,160
question

887
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:58,960
and

888
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,800
it's sort of like going on a date you

889
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:02,720
know you have to decide whether you want

890
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,440
to

891
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:05,520
partner with the person you went out on

892
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,320
a date you want to perhaps have

893
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,800
an an offspring with that person and you

894
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:13,040
know you need to collect enough data

895
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,240
and it's true about a future object that

896
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:18,960
would look weird just like

897
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,720
we want to collect enough data to be

898
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:22,800
confident that we want to put in the

899
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,240
money and and and go after it now uh

900
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:28,880
you've mentioned dating now uh three

901
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,240
times uh is your family aware

902
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:34,960
that you are pursuing

903
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:37,839
a relationship with an extraterrestrial

904
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:40,400
civilization

905
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:44,000
well uh we what i'm saying is

906
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:45,280
it's worth

907
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,640
to look around i mean so uh

908
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,200
you know other planetary scientists say

909
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:52,880
everything is rocks everything is

910
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:54,880
natural out there because that's what

911
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,760
they used to date in the past you see

912
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,480
and they are not there

913
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:03,119
my point is they will never discover new

914
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:07,119
partners if they are not open-minded uh

915
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,319
and um

916
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,079
it's quite possible that there is

917
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,280
equipment up you know in space because

918
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:15,280
we we are sending equipment we are a

919
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:17,359
technological civilization and the

920
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,839
conditions on earth are replicated in

921
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:21,839
billions of other planets

922
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,720
in the milky way galaxy alone so there

923
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,160
could have been someone else that

924
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,960
predated us and sent equipment to space

925
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:31,200
to me it sounds like common sense you

926
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,000
know i grew up on a farm i try to use my

927
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,000
common sense as much as possible i don't

928
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,400
pretend that i'm any different than any

929
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,040
any person on the street and to me it

930
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:43,520
sounds like common sense so let's go out

931
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:44,720
and search

932
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:47,359
now you mentioned uh

933
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,920
your desire to surround yourself with

934
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,480
like-minded individuals and that's why

935
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,560
you chose to get your phd and jump into

936
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,160
academia

937
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,400
how has that been going are you

938
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,400
surrounding yourself with like-minded

939
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:01,839
individuals

940
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:04,000
well the amazing thing is

941
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,839
a number of people

942
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,920
came to the porch of my home

943
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:10,000
uh over the past few months after

944
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,079
reading my book and they had questions

945
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,359
and some of them are quite wealthy and

946
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,680
they decided to donate about two million

947
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,680
dollars to my research account which was

948
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:21,440
a real surprise because i was not

949
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:24,079
engaged in fundraising

950
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:25,520
they were simply

951
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,160
inspired by the vision and that allowed

952
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,560
me to establish the galileo project and

953
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,040
once i announced it you know there were

954
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,920
a huge number of volunteers that uh

955
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:38,160
offered help and offered from their

956
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,359
expertise and some offered funding

957
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,359
and by now we have more than 100

958
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:45,440
scientists engaged and

959
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:48,800
every day we get a few requests for uh

960
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:49,440
in

961
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,480
project and to me that illustrates that

962
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,640
there is a huge amount of interest in in

963
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:58,720
the question of whether there are

964
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:01,680
uh objects that were manufactured by

965
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,880
other civilizations near earth and uh

966
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:06,800
the public is extremely interested in

967
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,160
this question and uh and and and this

968
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,240
question if you address it could bring

969
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,280
new funds to science that was my uh

970
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:17,760
message all along since i published my

971
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:20,560
book extraterrestrial and you know after

972
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:23,359
my book came out my my publicist in the

973
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:26,240
united kingdom said

974
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,200
he said

975
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:29,359
good job avi you are

976
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,319
selling the book quite well um

977
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,480
by explaining the content and so forth

978
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,400
and i told him i'm not trying to sell

979
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,800
the book i'm trying to convey a message

980
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,720
and if if that message would not have

981
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,800
appealed to the public i wouldn't care

982
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,960
less you know i'm uh i think that's the

983
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,720
right message that's what we need to

984
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:48,880
pursue and that's what i'm advocating

985
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:51,040
and the public seems to resonate with

986
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:51,760
that

987
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,800
and

988
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,200
to me it sounds like a very exciting

989
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,440
frontier for the future and obviously if

990
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,920
the galileo project finds something you

991
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:01,440
know and and has

992
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:03,119
scientific evidence

993
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,240
that it's

994
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,240
really in some equipment that was not

995
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,640
manufactured on this planet

996
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,800
you know that then everyone would jump

997
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,800
on the ship and say yeah of course these

998
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:14,079
should be examined they should be

999
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,119
studied

1000
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,599
but until then you know we are taking a

1001
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,839
path that was not taken in the past you

1002
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:22,079
know the there is this point by robert

1003
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,640
frost that says that you know he went to

1004
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,560
the woods and saw two

1005
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:28,240
uh

1006
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,359
two roads and took the one that was

1007
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,760
not taken and that made all the

1008
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:35,440
difference for him

1009
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,880
for me taking the road not taken offers

1010
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:40,480
the opportunity

1011
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,359
that you might find low-hanging fruit

1012
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,839
because if nobody took that road

1013
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:47,440
you know there might be a lot of

1014
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:50,800
low-hanging fruit that was not picked up

1015
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,599
and

1016
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,200
that's what we hope to get in the

1017
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,160
galileo project now the public interest

1018
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:59,200
has been extraordinary and we've all

1019
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:01,040
seen this happen not only with the

1020
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,920
public but throughout media but we also

1021
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:06,160
have washington d.c

1022
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,680
uh if we go back to june 25th of this

1023
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:10,800
year

1024
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:14,000
and the release of the uap task force

1025
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,200
report

1026
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,599
uh that was a

1027
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:19,680
was a really big deal

1028
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,480
how much did you anticipate that and how

1029
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,040
quickly did you read it

1030
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,680
yeah well uh actually the news about it

1031
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:30,000
about uh coming out

1032
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:31,119
was

1033
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:32,240
already

1034
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,440
uh a month in advance of that and

1035
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,520
actually the nasa administrator bill

1036
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:39,760
nelson talked about it

1037
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:41,920
a month in advance and said that

1038
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,160
scientists should attend to this subject

1039
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:46,480
that uh there are all these unexplained

1040
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:48,839
aerial phenomena

1041
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:51,520
um uap

1042
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,880
uh that

1043
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:54,800
we should get to the bottom of figure

1044
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,240
out their nature and uh when i heard him

1045
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:00,480
i immediately submitted the white paper

1046
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,160
to nasa saying i'm happy to pursue uh

1047
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,480
such a project and that was pretty much

1048
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:08,960
the skeleton of of the galileo project

1049
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,680
that i drafted back in on the 5th of

1050
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:13,920
june a few weeks before the report came

1051
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,800
out

1052
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:16,640
uh and then

1053
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,359
what happened was quite the unusual that

1054
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:21,920
i didn't hear back from nasa but i did

1055
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,560
the receive donations from interested

1056
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:25,839
people and

1057
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,960
one of those people was frank lauken

1058
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:30,000
he's the

1059
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,119
uh

1060
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:34,079
ceo of the broker corporation came to my

1061
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:35,839
the porch of my home and

1062
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,280
and suggested that i establish uh a

1063
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:42,079
project at the galileo project and

1064
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,160
i had everything you know the time was

1065
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:46,000
right because i had already some

1066
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,359
donations and

1067
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:49,040
and then i decided to go ahead and we

1068
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,319
announced it

1069
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,960
a month after the director of national

1070
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:54,880
intelligence delivered the report to to

1071
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,480
congress uh on june 25th and to me that

1072
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,640
was an important a very important

1073
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,240
message from the government that there

1074
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,880
are real objects that they don't

1075
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:07,680
understand the nature of that scientists

1076
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,040
should look into and and that's a second

1077
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:12,960
branch of the galileo project so one

1078
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,920
branch has to do with taking

1079
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,000
more data on a future

1080
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,880
omuamua and dating it and

1081
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:22,720
you know getting a high resolution image

1082
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,520
of it so that we can tell what it is

1083
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,839
and the second branch was inspired by

1084
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,280
this report from the director of

1085
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:31,839
national intelligence

1086
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,000
and the the goal there is to build

1087
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:36,720
telescope systems on the ground

1088
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:39,359
uh that will image the sky take a video

1089
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:40,560
of the sky

1090
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:44,160
both in the visible band in the infrared

1091
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,079
also get data audio data and radio data

1092
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,200
and then get to the bottom of what

1093
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,440
some of these objects that the military

1094
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:55,680
personnel reported about what are they

1095
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:56,560
and

1096
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:59,839
uh are they human-made are they

1097
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:01,359
uh natural

1098
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:02,480
phenomena

1099
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:06,079
are they drones birds uh what are they

1100
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,880
and

1101
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,119
you know are they out of this this world

1102
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:11,440
and the goal is to be able to read off

1103
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:14,240
the label on on an object and see if it

1104
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,119
says

1105
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,760
made in china made in russia or made on

1106
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:20,160
exoplanet why you know that that would

1107
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,400
be much more exciting and it's a fishing

1108
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,680
expedition

1109
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,760
you don't know which fish

1110
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,920
one would get and

1111
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,760
you know there is this tale about a

1112
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,920
fisherman that went to see and came back

1113
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,040
and said

1114
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,680
all fish are bigger than two inches

1115
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,000
that's a new law of nature that i i

1116
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,480
realized by going to the sea

1117
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,640
and then someone asked him what is the

1118
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,359
size of the horse in your fishing net

1119
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,599
and he said two inches

1120
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:50,160
so we don't want i mean in the past we

1121
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,280
had this

1122
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:54,000
uh fishing net that had huge holes in it

1123
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,559
we wouldn't be able to identify objects

1124
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,480
and clearly what what they are and so

1125
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,640
forth and we want to construct within

1126
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,359
the galileo project a fishing net that

1127
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:05,760
has very small holes in it so that we

1128
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,000
can catch all the fish

1129
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,079
out there and and you know whatever we

1130
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,720
find will report it would be open data

1131
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,559
transparent analysis

1132
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,480
you know there is this

1133
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:18,800
story about enrico fermi that 70 years

1134
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:22,559
ago had lunch at los alamos and was they

1135
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,119
were discussing extraterrestrials and he

1136
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,440
was saying well if they are out there

1137
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,280
where is everybody

1138
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:31,119
and you know without

1139
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,040
this is a very presumptuous question

1140
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,920
without investing a billion dollars in a

1141
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:37,040
mission

1142
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,079
to

1143
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:41,280
go after objects that are passing near

1144
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,720
earth

1145
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:43,920
you would

1146
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,800
you know

1147
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,800
you would this is meaningless to ask

1148
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,480
where is everybody because it's just

1149
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,559
like sitting at home and saying nobody

1150
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,640
is knocking on my door therefore i don't

1151
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:54,640
have neighbors you know sometimes you

1152
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:57,359
have to look out the windows to figure

1153
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:59,200
out if you have neighbors you can't just

1154
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:01,040
say you know i don't have neighbors

1155
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:02,800
because nobody's look knocking at my

1156
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,000
door right now and by the way

1157
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,640
human history is only 10 000 years old

1158
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:10,720
it's a millionth of the age of the earth

1159
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:13,359
so for enrico fermi to say right now i

1160
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:15,040
don't see anybody

1161
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,640
in los alamos

1162
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:19,040
that's very presumptuous

1163
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,160
the uh there's another uh

1164
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:25,280
uh analogy to to look at

1165
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,880
which is this

1166
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,400
if you

1167
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,960
go to the ocean you go to the beach and

1168
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:32,800
and you get a bucket of water and you

1169
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:35,520
pull it out and the has nothing in it

1170
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:38,400
therefore there's nothing in the ocean

1171
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:39,359
right

1172
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:42,480
the universe is a big place avi

1173
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,839
and and we are you know we're looking as

1174
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:47,520
as much as we can but we're still

1175
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,800
looking at very very small sections of

1176
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,240
it aren't we

1177
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,160
yeah and and just keep in mind that the

1178
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:56,000
first object from outside the solar

1179
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:56,960
system

1180
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:01,040
was discovered in 2017 so before that

1181
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:02,400
you know we didn't

1182
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,319
know about objects coming from outside

1183
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:06,400
the source system and this object was

1184
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,680
the size

1185
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,839
of a football field we couldn't see

1186
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:11,520
smaller objects

1187
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,800
because they reflect less sunlight and

1188
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:17,040
during enrico fermi's days even if a

1189
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:18,559
giant

1190
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,760
spaceship you know the size

1191
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:22,720
of

1192
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,200
earth around the sun we will notice it

1193
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,880
because nobody was looking nobody was

1194
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:32,400
serving the sky with a big enough

1195
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:34,160
telescope at that time

1196
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:36,319
so that my point is only recently we

1197
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,079
could see objects the size of a football

1198
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,559
field why would someone send

1199
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,800
very huge objects

1200
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,200
around you know you might expect that if

1201
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:47,839
they have sophisticated

1202
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:49,599
electronic systems

1203
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,760
they might use much smaller objects as

1204
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:53,680
probes and

1205
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:56,079
and and to detect those we need better

1206
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,880
telescopes to be looking at the sky and

1207
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,640
you know they might use

1208
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,480
for example artificial intelligence

1209
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,319
these might

1210
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,480
they might not carry any

1211
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:08,559
biological creatures these instruments

1212
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,760
because

1213
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:11,680
electronic instruments can survive the

1214
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:14,559
long journey and as you say space is

1215
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,280
huge um it all depends by the way the

1216
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:19,200
drake equation has nothing to do with

1217
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,079
this the drake equation is dealing with

1218
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,480
detecting radio signals which is just

1219
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,480
like trying to have a phone conversation

1220
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,640
you need the counterpart to be active at

1221
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,720
the time that you're looking and it may

1222
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,480
well be that nobody is transmitting

1223
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:34,400
exactly at this time so you won't see

1224
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:35,920
anything just because other

1225
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,240
civilizations are not using radio waves

1226
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,079
that we are trying to detect

1227
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,480
or they are dead by now you know that

1228
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,119
because their star died by now so how

1229
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:46,960
would you ever detect a signal from a

1230
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,040
civilization next to a dead star you

1231
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,680
know that you would not see anything or

1232
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,440
the civilization is short-lived you know

1233
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,680
they are destroying their climate after

1234
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,280
a few centuries of technological

1235
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:59,040
development they are not around anymore

1236
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,319
so you have a short window of

1237
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:01,760
opportunity there are lots of

1238
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:03,920
possibilities why you would not see a

1239
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,359
radio signal okay and our technologies

1240
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,440
are evolving we will not use radio

1241
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:11,520
communication in you know a century from

1242
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:12,960
now perhaps

1243
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:15,359
so the point is there is a better

1244
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:18,160
approach that we have never applied and

1245
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,559
that is to look for objects that they

1246
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,040
may have sent because objects survive

1247
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,280
you know even if the sender is not

1248
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:27,599
around anymore they're just like mail

1249
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,480
packages in the mail that could exist

1250
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:32,800
even if the sender is dead by now you

1251
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:33,760
know they

1252
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:35,200
so the point is it's just like

1253
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:37,280
archaeology we look for things that were

1254
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:39,680
sent by others that were produced by

1255
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,160
others that may not be around anymore

1256
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:45,200
and this type of archaeology in space

1257
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,720
looking for objects sent by other

1258
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,559
civilizations is something that was

1259
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:50,480
never pursued by

1260
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:53,200
a scientific research group and that's

1261
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:55,920
what the galileo project is trying to do

1262
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:56,960
now

1263
00:53:03,829 --> 00:52:59,520
the same thing applies to us

1264
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:03,839
in that voyager 1 voyager 2 pioneer 11

1265
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:06,559
a million years from now a billion years

1266
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:07,599
from now

1267
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,920
uh gets discovered by an etc out there

1268
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:13,760
we may not even be here they're

1269
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:15,680
discovering something

1270
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:18,160
from a civilization

1271
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,280
that that no longer exists right right i

1272
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:24,000
but i do i i feel a little bit

1273
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:26,000
embarrassed by what we put for example

1274
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:29,200
on voyager or on new horizons on voyager

1275
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,240
we put

1276
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:32,720
you know cultural artifacts that

1277
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,359
represents the 60s and

1278
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:38,000
you know since then we developed a lot

1279
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:40,720
of things that would make us more proud

1280
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:43,359
of our accomplishments so

1281
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,200
we better send something that moves

1282
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:47,680
faster than voyager and overtakes it so

1283
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,319
that they will get a better sense of our

1284
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:52,079
intelligence

1285
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:52,880
but

1286
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,319
it was even more embarrassing

1287
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:58,720
as to what we sent with new horizons

1288
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:01,359
that was the mission to explore pluto

1289
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:04,559
and then nasa decided to put on the new

1290
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,680
horizons spacecraft

1291
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:09,200
30 grams

1292
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,240
of the ashes of clyde tambau

1293
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:14,880
the scientists that discovered pluto and

1294
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:17,200
they thought it's a great way to

1295
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:18,640
commemorate

1296
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:20,800
uh clyde tambao

1297
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:23,200
but it actually is a very primitive

1298
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:26,000
ritual because what are

1299
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:30,000
ashes ashes are burnt up dna so you take

1300
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:30,800
the

1301
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:33,520
genetic information of clyde tambo you

1302
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:34,960
burn it up

1303
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:37,440
and what is left is no different than

1304
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,160
cigarette ashes it contains it carries

1305
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,000
no information and then you take that

1306
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,920
and put it on a spaceship

1307
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,839
on a spacecraft and that makes very

1308
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:47,760
little sense if someone finds it they

1309
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:48,720
would say

1310
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:50,960
you know what is this primitive culture

1311
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,359
of destroying the genetic information of

1312
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:55,280
a person to commemorate

1313
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,839
him you know like that makes no sense

1314
00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:59,760
whatsoever and by the way it was done by

1315
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,480
scientists it's not someone that has no

1316
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:04,640
knowledge about what dna is

1317
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,760
scientists put burned up dna of a person

1318
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:09,359
they want to commemorate that makes no

1319
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,119
sense that's very embarrassing as far as

1320
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,680
i'm concerned so i actually asked the

1321
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,680
principal investigator of new horizons

1322
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:17,920
who is a member of the galileo project

1323
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:20,160
alan stern and i said why didn't you

1324
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:23,680
send a stem cell of clayton but that

1325
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:25,920
contains some genetic information or

1326
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,040
maybe even just an electronic

1327
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:31,839
version of his dna you know so that

1328
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:34,160
the information is there and he said

1329
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:35,920
what that would have been

1330
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:39,520
a bureaucratic nightmare uh within nasa

1331
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:40,640
to send

1332
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:43,280
a stem cell you know

1333
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:45,119
but my point is that it's very

1334
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:47,680
embarrassing for us to

1335
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:48,559
send

1336
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:52,799
spacecraft moving much faster than new

1337
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:55,440
horizons so that it would overtake it

1338
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,319
and so that the first thing that

1339
00:56:01,430 --> 00:56:00,000
extraterrestrials will see will be

1340
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:01,440
something more

1341
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,680
that we can be more proud of yeah well

1342
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:06,000
we did send chuck berry

1343
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:12,630
we could send van halen or something a

1344
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,240
little more updated

1345
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:16,880
yeah well i i actually enjoyed the the

1346
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:19,599
latest music always um

1347
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,040
i you know i

1348
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:23,760
even though i you know when i back in

1349
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:26,799
the 60s i enjoyed the 60s uh in the 70s

1350
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:28,000
the 70s

1351
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,160
i always liked the latest music i'm

1352
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:32,400
always proud of the latest gadgets we

1353
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,000
have

1354
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,559
so i'm always in favor if you if we ever

1355
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,640
send something let's send the latest at

1356
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:40,480
a faster speed

1357
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:41,440
so that

1358
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:44,480
the package will get to the destination

1359
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:47,200
ahead of the old packages that

1360
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:50,000
that do not complement us as much okay

1361
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:51,839
we need to take a break right here ravi

1362
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:53,200
but uh

1363
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:54,559
really quick

1364
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,720
think about this

1365
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:58,559
what was the last

1366
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:01,599
song you listened to

1367
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,640
today did you listen to music today

1368
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,920
um

1369
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:06,960
yeah

1370
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:09,040
i did um

1371
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,160
it was

1372
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:12,480
um by um

1373
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:15,359
uh lennon stella

1374
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,599
there you go this is fade to black the

1375
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:19,760
big reveal

1376
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:24,960
professor avi loeb i am your host jimmy

1377
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,200
church we're talking about the galileo

1378
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:29,760
project more with avi when we come back

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00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:49,829
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1380
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:53,280
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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight

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professor avilo now i want to obvi uh i

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want to jump back for a second you

1486
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brought up bill nelson

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and a couple it was about a month ago

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01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:57,599
he was uh a guest

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01:03:02,150 --> 01:03:00,319
uh actually for a political conversation

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01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:02,160
from one of the universities at the

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university of west virginia i think i

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could be wrong

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01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,720
but uh a political conversation uh about

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the future and administration of nasa

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and projects

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and at the end of the he he did 10

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minutes

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of talking about et what is visiting

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earth and that nasa is absolutely

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actively pursuing

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the existence of et and etcs out there

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and it was a pretty dramatic step i

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think for the administrator of nasa but

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it was also very public what did you

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01:03:42,309 --> 01:03:40,319
make

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01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:42,319
about his comments

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01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:44,480
well i very much resonate with him i

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think

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01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:47,039
if there is something we don't

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01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:48,559
understand

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01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:50,160
scientists are

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01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,039
best equipped to address it

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01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:55,200
and should address it

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01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:57,520
if the public cares about it so for

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example when you find a new

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01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:01,920
variant of

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01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:04,240
covey then obviously you want scientists

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01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:06,559
to look into it and find a vaccine for

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01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,079
that and

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if there are phenomena

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in the atmosphere that we don't fully

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understand the nature of

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then you want scientists to figure out

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what they are because the public cares

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01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:20,480
about it and you know otherwise what

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01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:22,400
would happen is there would be lots of

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speculations and

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we we don't want that um in a civilized

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society we we have the tools to address

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01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:33,760
those questions and by the way it's not

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01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:37,280
it will not cost us a lot in you know by

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any means for example

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01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,400
you know

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01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:42,720
physicists built the large hadron

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01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:44,480
collider

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01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:47,280
actually in cern and the goal was to

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01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:49,520
find a new type of symmetry called

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01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:52,000
supersymmetry to find evidence for it by

1539
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:55,200
finding new particles supersymmetric

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01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:57,760
particles and

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01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:58,480
it

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01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:00,240
the experiment cost

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almost 10 billion dollars okay it was

1544
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:04,880
the major

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01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:06,880
experiment of particle physics over the

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past few decades and

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nothing

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01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:12,960
related to supersymmetry was discovered

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now

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any work on the frontier is risky

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01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:19,839
and

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this illustrates the fact that even if

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01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:24,559
you go on a promising date you know you

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01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:26,480
might end up not establishing a

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01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:28,960
long-term relationship with whoever you

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01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,440
dated and you know in this case the

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01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:33,520
large hadron collider was

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01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:35,760
had a promising date with the idea of

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super symmetry and didn't end up well

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01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:41,599
we invested 10 billion dollars we didn't

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01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:45,200
find it okay so now that is part of

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01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:47,440
pursuing science at the frontier and you

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01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:49,200
have to take the risk just like you take

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01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:52,240
it on dates you have to be willing

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01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:54,799
and not to find what you are looking for

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okay and that is well known to people

1567
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:59,599
that go on dates and that is well known

1568
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:01,440
to people who work at the frontiers of

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science

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01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:05,520
but when you say to people that

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01:06:10,630 --> 01:06:08,000
we haven't searched yet scientifically

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01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:10,640
for equipment from other civilizations

1573
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:13,520
we should do that because there was this

1574
01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:15,680
object of muammar that looked weird

1575
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:17,920
because the government is talking about

1576
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:20,160
unidentified aerial phenomena when you

1577
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:21,599
mention that

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01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:22,960
they say

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01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:25,280
no we don't want to engage in this

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01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:28,000
subject until there is extraordinary

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01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,440
evidence

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01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:31,440
and that follows

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01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:35,520
from carl sagan who said famously

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01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:37,520
extraordinary claims require

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01:06:41,309 --> 01:06:39,680
extraordinary evidence

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01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:41,319
my point is

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01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:43,599
extraordinary evidence

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01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:45,119
requires

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01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:46,720
extraordinary

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01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:48,000
funding

1591
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,720
okay you will never find extraordinary

1592
01:06:55,029 --> 01:06:52,559
evidence unless you put the money

1593
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:55,039
towards it and

1594
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:56,799
just saying i need extraordinary

1595
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:59,200
evidence and not allocating any funds to

1596
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,640
the search means that this is

1597
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:02,319
self-fulfilling for prophecy you will

1598
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:04,559
never find anything this way

1599
01:07:09,069 --> 01:07:06,880
so if we put 10 billion dollars on the

1600
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:09,079
large hadron collider and didn't find

1601
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:13,039
supersymmetry so be it why not put

1602
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:15,200
hundred million dollars on the search

1603
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:16,799
for technological equipment from other

1604
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:20,319
civilizations that's one percent of the

1605
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,280
of the lhc budget one percent on a

1606
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:25,280
subject that is of much greater

1607
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:27,440
importance for the future of humanity

1608
01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:30,000
right because if we found supersymmetry

1609
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:32,480
what effect would that have on the daily

1610
01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:35,359
lives of people not much but we find

1611
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:37,839
evidence for equipment from another

1612
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:39,440
civilization

1613
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:41,440
that is near earth that would have a

1614
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:43,440
huge impact on the future of humanity

1615
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:45,119
and yet

1616
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:48,319
there is ridicule there is stigma there

1617
01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:51,200
is unwillingness on the

1618
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:53,200
part of the scientific community in

1619
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:55,359
investing even one percent

1620
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:56,880
of the budget of the large hadron

1621
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:58,960
collider and you ask yourself

1622
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:00,400
why would that be the case why would

1623
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,440
that be regarded as more speculative

1624
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,280
than supersymmetry

1625
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:07,440
and the argument is because there is a

1626
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:09,119
lot of mathematics backing up

1627
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:11,520
supersymmetry so i say okay well

1628
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:15,440
great but this mathematics was not found

1629
01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:17,920
after putting 10 so wouldn't it make

1630
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:19,759
sense to invest

1631
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:21,520
1 of that

1632
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:23,359
in the direction of something the public

1633
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,839
cares so much about well you bring up a

1634
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:27,839
great point and i never thought i would

1635
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:29,199
see the day

1636
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:32,159
but we are here a physicist would rather

1637
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:34,799
talk about e.t today than supersymmetry

1638
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:38,000
i guarantee it i guarantee it it was

1639
01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:40,560
i've watched the debate on this over the

1640
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:41,679
years

1641
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:45,279
and to have nothing come at the end of

1642
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:46,000
it

1643
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:52,400
thing

1644
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:55,759
with etc avi there isn't a difference

1645
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:58,960
yes i should say also that um a couple

1646
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:01,120
of months ago i received an email from a

1647
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:04,239
rabbi in an arbor michigan who told me

1648
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:04,960
that

1649
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:07,679
he gave a sermon

1650
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,159
to his congregation

1651
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:12,319
that was inspired by my book

1652
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:14,560
and what i realized from that

1653
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:17,679
is that this subject has

1654
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:18,960
spiritual

1655
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:21,279
connotations that the public cares about

1656
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:24,159
as well and and that became clear when i

1657
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:27,199
went to a forum uh in the washington

1658
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:28,880
national cathedral

1659
01:09:35,669 --> 01:09:32,319
uh on the 10th of november this year uh

1660
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:35,679
in the company of uh jeff bezos of um

1661
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:37,920
avril haynes the the director of

1662
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:39,440
national intelligence

1663
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:41,120
um

1664
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:42,880
and uh

1665
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:45,759
bill nelson was uh featured there and

1666
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:48,400
and also um

1667
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:50,799
david wilkinson who is a theologian from

1668
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:53,120
durham university and it was a very

1669
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:54,320
interesting

1670
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:55,679
discussion

1671
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:59,280
that focused around the issue of

1672
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,719
objects

1673
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:03,040
near earth and the possibility of

1674
01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:07,120
extraterrestrial equipment and um i i

1675
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:08,960
was fortunate to participate in a panel

1676
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:12,239
with the two religious authorities the

1677
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:13,679
dean of the

1678
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:16,480
washington national cathedral

1679
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:17,360
um

1680
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:19,920
randy hollerith and uh

1681
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:22,800
david wilkinson the theologian and uh it

1682
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:25,040
was a very interesting exchange on on

1683
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:26,640
this subject and

1684
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:29,440
i should say that when the event ended

1685
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:31,840
you know all the participants left the

1686
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:33,840
auditorium but

1687
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:36,719
or the i should say the the cathedral uh

1688
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:37,760
but

1689
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:39,920
there was a long line of people waiting

1690
01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:42,239
to speak with me and about 50 of them

1691
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:44,080
and it took me half an hour to speak

1692
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:47,040
with every everyone on in the line and

1693
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:48,960
they all wanted to convey very simple

1694
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:51,199
message they said that the galileo

1695
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:53,920
project is inspiring and my book was

1696
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:58,239
inspiring for them and they wanted to

1697
01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:59,040
just

1698
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:01,840
express their support and that was very

1699
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:02,800
moving

1700
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:05,120
to me to realize you know this was the

1701
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:08,480
first public event that i attended

1702
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:10,960
to the general public

1703
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:13,600
outside of boston and and it was very

1704
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:16,400
moving to see that kind of a response to

1705
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:19,440
both my book and the galileo project now

1706
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:21,760
uh much uh speaking of the galileo

1707
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:23,360
project directly

1708
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:24,400
uh

1709
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:31,679
and lou elizondo coming on board was a

1710
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:33,679
pretty big deal not only in the media

1711
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:36,080
but uh throughout this community

1712
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:39,520
did you approach uh chris and lou or did

1713
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:41,679
they

1714
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:43,760
reach out to you first

1715
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:47,280
well they reached out to me and

1716
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:48,719
and i thought that

1717
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:52,480
their knowledge base and their

1718
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:54,560
experience over the years could help the

1719
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:56,080
galileo project in the sense of

1720
01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:57,199
providing

1721
01:12:02,790 --> 01:11:59,679
uh some background information and

1722
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:02,800
uh for example when

1723
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:05,920
we think about societal implications of

1724
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,640
whatever we find and they have some good

1725
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:10,480
insights and also

1726
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:12,159
when we consider

1727
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:14,400
where to put the telescope systems they

1728
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:16,159
could help us and

1729
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:18,000
uh so i

1730
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:19,760
um you know the galileo project i

1731
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:22,960
established it as a very wide tent

1732
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:25,120
that includes both of them but at the

1733
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:26,880
same time includes

1734
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:30,000
people who are skeptical such as

1735
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:32,800
uh michael shermer and

1736
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:33,840
seth

1737
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:35,280
shostak and

1738
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,640
um and i think you know once we have

1739
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:40,480
good enough evidence

1740
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:42,880
it should be convincing to everyone uh

1741
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:45,760
what what we are seeing and i don't care

1742
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:47,679
so much about the

1743
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:50,239
views that people bring with them uh you

1744
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:52,080
know it's not a political discussion

1745
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:53,199
it's

1746
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:55,040
it should be based on evidence and

1747
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:57,440
that's the unifying theme of the galileo

1748
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:59,600
project that we will try to assemble the

1749
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:01,679
data the the information that will tell

1750
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:02,880
us

1751
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:05,440
what such objects are and irrespective

1752
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:06,800
of what the initial

1753
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,640
uh beliefs of people are and for example

1754
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:12,719
just to give an example um michael

1755
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:14,719
shermer gave a presentation about the

1756
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:17,440
bayesian statistics and the fact that

1757
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:19,840
you know

1758
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:22,239
a lot of objects that are claimed to be

1759
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:24,800
perhaps unusual may not be unusual maybe

1760
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:28,320
human-made or and i told him you know

1761
01:13:32,470 --> 01:13:30,080
it's not a matter of statistics if we

1762
01:13:35,189 --> 01:13:32,480
collect good enough data we should be

1763
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:35,199
able to tell what an object is by having

1764
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:37,520
a high resolution megapixel image of it

1765
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:38,719
for example

1766
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:39,840
and

1767
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:43,520
i told him if we assemble such data i'm

1768
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:46,480
confident that you will be convinced and

1769
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:47,679
he said

1770
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:49,840
well if you do us if the galileo project

1771
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:51,600
assembles that data

1772
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:54,239
uh then i will report about it in my

1773
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:57,199
magazine skeptic so he has a magazine

1774
01:14:02,390 --> 01:13:58,800
called skeptic that he's the chief

1775
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:02,400
editor of and i told him well that's not

1776
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:04,400
a sufficient gesture as far as i'm

1777
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:06,880
concerned i want you to change the name

1778
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:09,520
of your magazine from skeptic to

1779
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:12,640
believer if we get such data did he

1780
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:15,760
agree that's a good challenge

1781
01:14:20,709 --> 01:14:18,400
no that was a joke i didn't i'm not i'm

1782
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:20,719
not being cavalier i think that was uh

1783
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:23,360
that was uh commendable here's the deal

1784
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:24,239
though

1785
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:25,440
um

1786
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:26,320
when

1787
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:30,480
i hear uh professional academics i'm not

1788
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:32,239
going to say names

1789
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,960
um say that you know what

1790
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:36,960
we're alone

1791
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:39,280
show me proof that we're not alone

1792
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:42,640
and and i hear this argument actually

1793
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:44,960
the stronger argument is flipping it

1794
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:47,920
back on them where's the proof that we

1795
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:50,159
are not alone

1796
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:52,800
i can give you all the chemistry right i

1797
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:55,199
can give you all the gases all of the

1798
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:57,120
elements all the particles that make us

1799
01:15:01,990 --> 01:14:58,880
up that are

1800
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:02,000
uh throughout the universe

1801
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:04,800
life has to be out there

1802
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:07,199
in infinite

1803
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:09,120
show me the proof that it is not have

1804
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:13,440
you been to an exoplanet right

1805
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:14,480
there

1806
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:16,480
we need to flip it back around on them

1807
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:18,960
they they are too used to

1808
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:21,199
uh trying to be the smart people in the

1809
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:22,640
room aren't they

1810
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:25,199
yeah i mean it's a natural tendency for

1811
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:27,120
us to believe that we are privileged we

1812
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:29,679
are unique we are the center of the play

1813
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:31,920
and you know i saw it with my daughters

1814
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,520
when they were young and they were at

1815
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:35,520
home they thought that they are the

1816
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:37,520
center of the world and then we and

1817
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:39,679
they're the smartest and when i took

1818
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:41,360
them to the kindergarten that view

1819
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:43,920
changed then they met other kids and you

1820
01:15:47,669 --> 01:15:45,760
know it's another tendency of everyone

1821
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:47,679
because it flatters our ego to think

1822
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:49,360
that we are really unique and special

1823
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:50,080
and

1824
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:51,040
to me

1825
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:52,800
the starting point should be exactly the

1826
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:55,120
opposite as you say the starting point

1827
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:57,280
should be there is nothing special about

1828
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:59,040
us because when we thought that we are

1829
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:00,560
at the center of the universe we were

1830
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:03,040
proven wrong you know that and we when

1831
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:04,960
we thought that the earth sun system is

1832
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:08,000
special again we were proven wrong

1833
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:09,679
and by the way you know if you think

1834
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:10,560
about

1835
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:13,600
the cosmic stage you know that there is

1836
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:16,159
a play going on and it has been going on

1837
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:19,120
for 13.8 billion years since the big

1838
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:21,679
bang we just came at the end so we are

1839
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:24,560
not at the center of the stage and

1840
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:26,800
we came just at the end of the play

1841
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:28,480
and so it's clear that the play is not

1842
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:31,040
about us you know we are not the central

1843
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:33,120
players and we are not the only

1844
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:36,000
and it's quite natural to say okay we

1845
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:37,920
are not unique we are not special we are

1846
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:39,520
not privileged

1847
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:41,840
let's check if there are other actors

1848
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:44,960
around you know like let's be modest

1849
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:47,199
and start from

1850
01:16:50,709 --> 01:16:48,800
you know build our knowledge from the

1851
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:50,719
ground up rather than say we already

1852
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:52,960
know the answer we are special we are

1853
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:55,199
unique and that of course flatters our

1854
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:57,760
ego to think that way instead of that

1855
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:59,679
let's start from zero let's start from

1856
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:00,480
saying

1857
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:02,400
nothing is special about us because that

1858
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:04,400
has proven to be the better approach in

1859
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:07,280
the past you see and let's just say

1860
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:08,719
you know there is nothing unique let's

1861
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:10,960
just search for evidence that others

1862
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:13,840
exist because they may very well be out

1863
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:14,719
there

1864
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:16,960
and you know if we invest 10 billion

1865
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:18,719
dollars in searching for sumit super

1866
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,560
symmetry we should invest 100 million

1867
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:22,080
dollars in searching for equipment

1868
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:24,880
what's the big deal why is that regarded

1869
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:25,840
as

1870
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:27,920
don't even speak about it and ridicule

1871
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:31,280
it and laugh about it and just move on

1872
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:35,280
how uh how is the approach centered for

1873
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:37,600
you with the with the galileo project

1874
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:39,840
are you first looking

1875
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:42,800
in our atmosphere and then going beyond

1876
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:44,400
you know into the solar system out of

1877
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:46,239
the out of the star system

1878
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:49,199
uh into the milky way and then further

1879
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:50,880
out from there into the rest of the

1880
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:52,080
universe

1881
01:17:56,950 --> 01:17:54,400
well we have two branches in the grail

1882
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:56,960
low project one is going after

1883
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:00,000
unidentified aerial phenomena uap and

1884
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:03,440
the second is going after objects like

1885
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:05,360
and in both cases trying to get more

1886
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:08,080
data trying to get the high resolution

1887
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:09,760
image of the objects so we can tell

1888
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:11,120
their nature

1889
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:14,719
and these are very different

1890
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:17,199
branches very different

1891
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:18,719
projects

1892
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:20,719
within the galileo project

1893
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:22,320
because

1894
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:25,120
for the first one what we do is we are

1895
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:27,120
assembling together the first telescope

1896
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:29,040
system right now we are buying the

1897
01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:30,960
instruments and we will put it on the

1898
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,280
roof of the harvard college observatory

1899
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:35,360
the first telescope system where we put

1900
01:18:38,470 --> 01:18:36,480
together

1901
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:38,480
uh

1902
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:40,960
cameras in the infrared that can look at

1903
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:42,880
the sky at all times

1904
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:44,320
and cameras

1905
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:47,040
in the optical in the visible band that

1906
01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:49,760
will take basically a video of the sky

1907
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:51,920
and will try to identify

1908
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:53,679
objects of interest

1909
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:56,320
and distinguish drones from birds from

1910
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:58,719
airplanes from something else

1911
01:19:01,350 --> 01:18:59,679
and

1912
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:01,360
this of course will require some

1913
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:03,040
software computer software and

1914
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:05,280
algorithms for identifying the nature of

1915
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:08,880
objects from the way they look and then

1916
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:10,960
once we have a system working with which

1917
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:12,800
will hopefully take place

1918
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:15,440
uh in the spring of 2022 by the summer

1919
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:17,040
of 2022

1920
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:18,880
uh then we will make copies of that

1921
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:21,360
system and the number of copies we make

1922
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:23,920
will depend on the funding level so

1923
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:26,560
right now i received um two million

1924
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:28,159
dollars and

1925
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:29,760
you know it would be

1926
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:31,760
amazing if we were to get

1927
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:33,360
a hundred million dollars because then

1928
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:34,960
we can have enough

1929
01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:37,840
systems we can basically have

1930
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:39,760
you know hundreds of systems distributed

1931
01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:41,920
throughout

1932
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:45,440
the us and and monitor enough of the sky

1933
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:46,400
to get

1934
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:48,480
data on this unidentified aerial

1935
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:50,640
phenomenon and figure out their nature

1936
01:19:55,030 --> 01:19:51,760
and

1937
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:55,040
so i still need to be able to

1938
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:57,600
you know fundraise

1939
01:20:02,229 --> 01:19:59,760
from two million dollars to about a

1940
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:02,239
hundred million dollars and we are not

1941
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:05,120
there yet and i very much hope that one

1942
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:07,120
of your listeners might be inspired to

1943
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:09,120
contribute to the effort because we

1944
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:11,040
really need more funding in order to

1945
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,960
accomplish the task

1946
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:14,880
and then the second part of the project

1947
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:16,239
is looking

1948
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:19,600
for a more like objects and dating them

1949
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:22,400
going on a rendezvous close to them and

1950
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:24,239
that is a space mission it's something

1951
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:26,400
very different it may cost much more

1952
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:29,040
money uh most likely hundreds of

1953
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:31,280
millions to perhaps a billion dollars

1954
01:20:35,669 --> 01:20:32,800
it's a space mission that should be

1955
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:35,679
designed by experts on space missions

1956
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:38,080
and in fact

1957
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:40,239
alan stern the principal investigator of

1958
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:42,000
the new horizons mission that i

1959
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:44,400
mentioned before is on the galileo team

1960
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:47,360
and we hope to pursue that

1961
01:20:50,950 --> 01:20:48,320
and

1962
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:50,960
that because it's it requires much more

1963
01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:52,239
funding and

1964
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:54,560
uh is much more ambitious

1965
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:57,440
may take more time for us to do but but

1966
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:59,360
the goal is in the coming years to be

1967
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:01,040
engaged in both

1968
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,880
uh missions

1969
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:04,800
now

1970
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:07,600
give me the protocol really quick

1971
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:10,560
you you're you're on the roof of a

1972
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:12,880
building at harvard right

1973
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:15,440
you guys get the magic shot you get the

1974
01:21:22,950 --> 01:21:19,120
million dollar shot you you get the data

1975
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:22,960
you have found something that doesn't uh

1976
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:25,199
uh have an explanation

1977
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:28,239
right and everybody's excited what do

1978
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:31,040
you do with that what's the stage do you

1979
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:33,040
take that to

1980
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:35,920
odni are you taking that to the navy are

1981
01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:38,080
you taking that to the public you taking

1982
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:40,159
that to the board of harvard

1983
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:42,159
are you taking it to your book publisher

1984
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:43,360
you know what

1985
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:45,120
what's the next stage

1986
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:46,159
right so

1987
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:48,800
the galileo project is a science project

1988
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:51,280
so we will just follow the standard

1989
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:53,600
procedure in scientific research which

1990
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:54,800
means that

1991
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:57,040
first we will collect the data and by

1992
01:22:01,750 --> 01:21:59,120
the way eventually we will release the

1993
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:01,760
data will be completely open so it's

1994
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:03,679
very different from past data that was

1995
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:05,920
mostly classified because the government

1996
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:08,800
took it in our case the data will be

1997
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:11,360
open to the public and the analysis of

1998
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:13,360
the data will be completely transparent

1999
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:15,520
that's the way science is done so what

2000
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:16,880
we will do is first of course the

2001
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:19,679
galileo team will look at the data

2002
01:22:24,149 --> 01:22:21,920
and analyze it and then we will write a

2003
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:24,159
scientific paper

2004
01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:26,560
in which we explain what we make out of

2005
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:28,400
this data and

2006
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:30,560
we will submit this paper for

2007
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:32,800
publication in a scientific journal at

2008
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,520
the same time we will release the data

2009
01:22:39,990 --> 01:22:36,960
to the public

2010
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:40,000
and it will all be open and transparent

2011
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:42,080
once we figure out you know what to make

2012
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:43,199
of it

2013
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:45,760
uh we will release it to everyone

2014
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:47,360
uh and um

2015
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:49,440
you know it it may well be that most of

2016
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:51,199
the time we will see things that are

2017
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:53,280
made or natural but it's sufficient to

2018
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:56,960
have one object that perhaps is weird

2019
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:58,800
and unexplained for this to be

2020
01:23:01,750 --> 01:23:00,480
worthwhile

2021
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:01,760
and

2022
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:04,080
by the way the telescope on the roof of

2023
01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:05,440
the harvard college observatory is

2024
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:07,440
unlikely to see anything of interest

2025
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:09,920
because it's one telescope system we we

2026
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:11,600
will have to make hundreds of them and

2027
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:13,760
put them in many locations

2028
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:16,320
uh the first system that we assemble is

2029
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:18,960
just to make sure that it works

2030
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:20,800
um

2031
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:22,800
you will see something

2032
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:25,679
i'll bet you i'll get you a steak dinner

2033
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:27,920
at the restaurant of your choice

2034
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:29,440
that you

2035
01:23:34,629 --> 01:23:32,320
will will see something and i think

2036
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:34,639
that's inevitable but here's the other

2037
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:38,080
part do you have a contingency plan for

2038
01:23:40,629 --> 01:23:39,920
like the men in black

2039
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:40,639
right

2040
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:42,480
you know going back to like the movie

2041
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,880
contact right i think that's a pretty

2042
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:46,400
good lesson there

2043
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:48,719
where something significant you know the

2044
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:51,199
most significant thing in human history

2045
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:53,760
is discovered and then

2046
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:55,440
the government shows up and takes

2047
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:58,560
control do you have a contingency plan

2048
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:01,040
well that's an excellent question but

2049
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:04,239
um for now we are just following

2050
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:06,480
the scientific procedure where once we

2051
01:24:10,629 --> 01:24:08,880
have those telescope systems in place

2052
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,639
and we collect data

2053
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:12,719
you know if you find something unusual

2054
01:24:14,629 --> 01:24:13,760
and

2055
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:14,639
worth

2056
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:16,719
discussion we will

2057
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:18,639
write a paper about it we will

2058
01:24:23,189 --> 01:24:20,719
disseminate provide the information to

2059
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:23,199
everyone it will be open

2060
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:28,470
so it depends really on the nature of

2061
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:31,679
the of of what we find you see if

2062
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:33,600
uh

2063
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:35,760
you're asking a very difficult question

2064
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:37,600
the question is what does it mean and

2065
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:39,199
that depends on the scenario you know

2066
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,280
what are the implications and

2067
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:43,360
let's just imagine the most exciting

2068
01:24:48,390 --> 01:24:45,040
scenario because that's what you are

2069
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,400
after let's imagine that we do find

2070
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:50,239
an object that

2071
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:52,320
is of extraterrestrial

2072
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:56,159
technological origin okay and um

2073
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,480
i think the next question

2074
01:25:02,310 --> 01:25:00,239
if we if it's clear that it's not

2075
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:02,320
human-made and it's clear that it's

2076
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:04,719
technological the next question is what

2077
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:06,960
is the intent of this object you know

2078
01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:10,560
what what is it trying to to do and

2079
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:13,120
for that we need to monitor it and my

2080
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:15,760
view is we don't want to engage with

2081
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:18,560
such an object uh until we understand

2082
01:25:22,629 --> 01:25:20,320
what it's doing you know like what kind

2083
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:22,639
of information is it trying to collect

2084
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:25,040
right and how does it respond to what we

2085
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:27,280
are doing you know these are the kinds

2086
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:29,120
of questions that we should first

2087
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,800
address and

2088
01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:32,400
and then there should be a discussion

2089
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,639
you know how to respond to it

2090
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:36,480
whether to engage with it

2091
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:38,719
you know and what the implications might

2092
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:39,840
be

2093
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:44,080
held in a much bigger forum that

2094
01:25:48,229 --> 01:25:46,080
includes a lot of other people outside

2095
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:48,239
the collaboration

2096
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:49,120
and

2097
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:50,800
you know once we get to the bridge we

2098
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:53,360
decide how to cross it but i think the

2099
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:55,040
worst thing we can do is just say we

2100
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:55,840
don't

2101
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:58,159
let's not engage in this let's not even

2102
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:58,960
look

2103
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:01,120
uh because it's just like putting our

2104
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:03,040
head in the sand so to speak well

2105
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:05,199
absolutely but the bigger question that

2106
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:06,880
you're gonna have to answer

2107
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:09,120
is when your wife says where were you

2108
01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:10,480
and you're going to have to say well i

2109
01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:12,320
was in an underground bunker at the

2110
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:14,000
c.i.a

2111
01:26:19,750 --> 01:26:17,679
being interrogated about this photograph

2112
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:19,760
that you're going to have to think about

2113
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:23,199
well that will only happen i think if i

2114
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:24,480
were to

2115
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:26,320
uh be

2116
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:28,000
do something that is of

2117
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:30,639
uh risk to poses a risk to national

2118
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:33,199
security but the way i see it what we

2119
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:35,199
are after you know if we see anything

2120
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:37,040
that is human-made we don't care about

2121
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:39,280
it if we see anything that is natural we

2122
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:41,520
don't care too much about it i mean if

2123
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:43,760
it's a rare natural phenomenon like a

2124
01:26:47,110 --> 01:26:45,360
lightning that was never seen before

2125
01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:47,120
maybe we'd write a paper

2126
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:49,920
but all of these things you know i don't

2127
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:51,679
if it's a matter of national security i

2128
01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:53,280
don't really care about it i don't i

2129
01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:56,320
don't want that data

2130
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:58,639
what i really care about is something

2131
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:00,320
else you know something

2132
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:03,360
that is of international interest not of

2133
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:05,440
national interest that that is of

2134
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:08,000
interest to humanity as a whole

2135
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:09,120
and

2136
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:12,320
on that i don't think the cia will have

2137
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:13,920
an issue with

2138
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:15,520
if it's something that is of

2139
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:18,080
international importance for all of

2140
01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:20,400
humanity for all people

2141
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:22,960
you know there is no reason why

2142
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:25,199
a particular nation

2143
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:27,120
would restrict

2144
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:28,960
access to that information it's just

2145
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:31,199
like science you know science is dealing

2146
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:32,800
with the universe

2147
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:34,000
uh and

2148
01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:35,600
that information that we have about the

2149
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:37,440
fact that the universe is expanding that

2150
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:39,760
we started from a big bang and all these

2151
01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:42,639
details you know they have no relevance

2152
01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:44,719
to a particular nation they are of

2153
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:47,440
interest to the entire human

2154
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:48,800
you know

2155
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:52,000
knowledge base and uh that's why science

2156
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:54,960
is engaged in that and it's open because

2157
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:56,880
all of our people

2158
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:58,880
irrespective where they are

2159
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:00,880
would be interested in knowing you know

2160
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:03,360
how we how the universe started you know

2161
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:05,280
it's not a matter of just the us knowing

2162
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:07,120
it and not giving the information to

2163
01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:09,360
other nations and the same is true the

2164
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:11,280
way the way i see it the same is true

2165
01:28:15,030 --> 01:28:13,360
for finding evidence that we are not

2166
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:15,040
alone you know that's that's something

2167
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:16,960
that everyone should care about on this

2168
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:20,320
planet our guest tonight professor avi

2169
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:22,080
loeb i'm your host jimmy church this is

2170
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:23,840
fade to black we will continue the

2171
01:28:30,430 --> 01:28:26,400
conversation after this short break stay

2172
01:28:30,440 --> 01:28:41,669
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2173
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:44,870
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2174
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you're listening to fade to black

2175
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2177
01:28:58,340 --> 01:29:10,070
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2178
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:12,390
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2179
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:15,440
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01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:18,000
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2221
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headed do you wonder about the food

2236
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2240
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2241
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2268
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:20,870
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2269
01:33:26,550 --> 01:33:23,040
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2270
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:26,560
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2271
01:33:31,669 --> 01:33:29,600
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2272
01:33:36,350 --> 01:33:31,679
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2273
01:34:14,629 --> 01:33:58,550
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2274
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:16,709
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2275
01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:18,560
your host jimmy church tonight professor

2276
01:34:22,709 --> 01:34:21,040
avi loeb i want to remind everybody the

2277
01:34:25,750 --> 01:34:22,719
great week we have coming up on fade to

2278
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:25,760
black uh tomorrow night it's the return

2279
01:34:31,430 --> 01:34:28,639
of jason quit wednesday night or hey

2280
01:34:33,510 --> 01:34:31,440
louis delgado is live from peru then of

2281
01:34:35,990 --> 01:34:33,520
course thursday is another fader night

2282
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:36,000
with open lines all night long now going

2283
01:34:41,189 --> 01:34:39,679
back uh to where we just left off avi uh

2284
01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:41,199
which is

2285
01:34:46,629 --> 01:34:43,920
the size of everything uh the universe

2286
01:34:48,550 --> 01:34:46,639
is expanding uh

2287
01:34:49,510 --> 01:34:48,560
apparently faster than the speed of

2288
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:49,520
light

2289
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:52,400
it it it is expanding and i think that

2290
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:55,199
the earth the people here

2291
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:57,840
if we look at pop culture is starting to

2292
01:35:03,590 --> 01:35:00,800
understand the ginormity

2293
01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:03,600
of what we are actually talking about

2294
01:35:10,790 --> 01:35:08,000
it it is beyond any imagination that we

2295
01:35:13,030 --> 01:35:10,800
are alone the universe is just too big

2296
01:35:14,870 --> 01:35:13,040
isn't it

2297
01:35:17,189 --> 01:35:14,880
yeah i mean um

2298
01:35:19,350 --> 01:35:17,199
there is a region that we can see and

2299
01:35:20,790 --> 01:35:19,360
even within that region

2300
01:35:21,990 --> 01:35:20,800
there are more

2301
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:22,000
planets

2302
01:35:26,790 --> 01:35:24,000
like the earth and there are grains of

2303
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:26,800
sand on all beaches on earth and we know

2304
01:35:31,109 --> 01:35:29,520
that roughly half of the sun-like stars

2305
01:35:33,510 --> 01:35:31,119
have a planet the size of the earth

2306
01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:33,520
roughly the same separation or you know

2307
01:35:37,030 --> 01:35:35,440
that means that we are not really

2308
01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:37,040
privileged and

2309
01:35:43,109 --> 01:35:39,760
um to me it illustrates the possibility

2310
01:35:45,109 --> 01:35:43,119
that a lot of things like us predated us

2311
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:45,119
existed before us and

2312
01:35:49,030 --> 01:35:47,440
you know i had an experience

2313
01:35:50,709 --> 01:35:49,040
the other day when

2314
01:35:52,470 --> 01:35:50,719
my wife noticed

2315
01:35:54,870 --> 01:35:52,480
someone standing on the street next to

2316
01:35:56,470 --> 01:35:54,880
her home and looking at our home and she

2317
01:35:58,629 --> 01:35:56,480
said who is this person is this a

2318
01:36:00,149 --> 01:35:58,639
stalker or something she's she was

2319
01:36:01,669 --> 01:36:00,159
worried and i said i'll approach that

2320
01:36:04,629 --> 01:36:01,679
person and

2321
01:36:05,990 --> 01:36:04,639
i i went and the person said that you

2322
01:36:07,350 --> 01:36:06,000
know i was

2323
01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:07,360
a kid

2324
01:36:10,790 --> 01:36:09,679
50 years ago that used to live in your

2325
01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:10,800
house

2326
01:36:14,629 --> 01:36:12,159
and

2327
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:14,639
i said oh very nice to meet you from 50

2328
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:16,159
years ago and

2329
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:18,239
i showed him he wanted to see the

2330
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:20,400
backyard and i showed it to him and then

2331
01:36:25,189 --> 01:36:22,960
he said you know my father

2332
01:36:27,750 --> 01:36:25,199
buried a cat

2333
01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:27,760
named tiger

2334
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:29,840
in the backyard and i said tiger that

2335
01:36:33,669 --> 01:36:31,520
sounds familiar because i saw a

2336
01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:33,679
tombstone saying tiger

2337
01:36:37,910 --> 01:36:35,920
and i went there and i showed it to him

2338
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:37,920
and that was where the cat was buried

2339
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:40,320
and of course i was relieved to realize

2340
01:36:45,590 --> 01:36:41,040
that

2341
01:36:46,950 --> 01:36:45,600
years ago under this tombstone because

2342
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:46,960
who knows what else could have been

2343
01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:48,880
buried there that is named tiger you

2344
01:36:52,629 --> 01:36:51,119
know it could have been a tiger um at

2345
01:36:56,229 --> 01:36:52,639
any event um

2346
01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:56,239
um that to me um illustrated an

2347
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:58,320
important fact that you know you are

2348
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:59,440
living in

2349
01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:01,040
some space and

2350
01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:02,960
and there's someone that used to live in

2351
01:37:08,229 --> 01:37:05,440
your space before your time

2352
01:37:10,390 --> 01:37:08,239
tells you something new about

2353
01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:10,400
your space and you know

2354
01:37:14,390 --> 01:37:12,719
it means that you should be kind to

2355
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:14,400
visitors to

2356
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:16,960
guests and by the way that's something

2357
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:20,159
that was advocated by the ancient greeks

2358
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:21,600
zelz the

2359
01:37:25,510 --> 01:37:23,360
most important

2360
01:37:27,109 --> 01:37:25,520
god in greek mythology

2361
01:37:30,790 --> 01:37:27,119
uh was

2362
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:30,800
considered to be kind to guests and and

2363
01:37:34,149 --> 01:37:33,360
they admired being kind to guests they

2364
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:34,159
have a

2365
01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:37,920
name for that it's called the shinya and

2366
01:37:43,510 --> 01:37:40,719
what i realized is we should be kind to

2367
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:43,520
interstellar guests you know because

2368
01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:46,480
they have known they may have known

2369
01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:47,440
our

2370
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:48,880
region

2371
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:51,600
longer than we did and they may know

2372
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:54,480
facts about our region

2373
01:37:58,149 --> 01:37:56,960
uh that we don't know about just like

2374
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:58,159
this um

2375
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:00,880
what is buried under the tombstone that

2376
01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:02,960
had the name tiger

2377
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:03,840
and

2378
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:06,480
we should be kind to interstellar guests

2379
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:08,400
and that's my message

2380
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:13,600
would it surprise you avi if uh an uh an

2381
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:16,480
archaeologist or there's something

2382
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:19,760
uh that was found at a dig site

2383
01:38:27,030 --> 01:38:23,199
that was extremely old right that wasn't

2384
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:27,040
ours 100 million years old some crazy

2385
01:38:31,109 --> 01:38:28,480
uh

2386
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:31,119
interstellar probe that landed on this

2387
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:33,360
earth and was buried over time would it

2388
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:35,840
surprise you if an object like that was

2389
01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:37,360
found

2390
01:38:41,510 --> 01:38:39,600
no it would not i mean it's possible you

2391
01:38:44,149 --> 01:38:41,520
know the moon for example has no

2392
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:44,159
geological activity there is not no

2393
01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:45,679
mixing of the

2394
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:47,440
of the surface of the moon with the

2395
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:48,719
interior

2396
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:50,639
uh

2397
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:52,800
unlike what happens on earth where you

2398
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:55,199
have over hundreds of millions of years

2399
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:58,400
everything on the surface gets buried

2400
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:00,320
and so in principle the moon could have

2401
01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:04,080
collected equipment that landed on it uh

2402
01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:06,080
we might want to check it it's just like

2403
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:08,000
a museum

2404
01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:09,600
i wouldn't be surprised at all you know

2405
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:12,080
that for example the perseverance rover

2406
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:14,880
is uh going over the surface of mars and

2407
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:17,440
trying to look for evidence of primitive

2408
01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:20,080
life that may have existed on on mars

2409
01:39:23,189 --> 01:39:20,880
and

2410
01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:23,199
suppose it bumps into the wreckage of

2411
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:25,360
some spaceship that

2412
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:27,600
represents technologies we don't even

2413
01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:28,560
possess

2414
01:39:33,910 --> 01:39:32,080
uh that would be a blow to our ego but i

2415
01:39:36,629 --> 01:39:33,920
would not be surprised you know it's

2416
01:39:38,870 --> 01:39:36,639
possible so we should be open-minded and

2417
01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:38,880
search of course you know we tend to

2418
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:41,520
think that we know the answer in advance

2419
01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:43,840
um i don't think that's a good approach

2420
01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:45,920
i think we should be open-minded and

2421
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:46,880
also

2422
01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:48,560
i don't think that we are the smartest

2423
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:51,600
kid on the block you know i uh based on

2424
01:39:57,109 --> 01:39:54,480
the way we behave i don't think so so

2425
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:57,119
why not just check you know just like my

2426
01:40:00,709 --> 01:39:58,960
daughters went to the kindergarten they

2427
01:40:01,669 --> 01:40:00,719
found kids that are smarter than they

2428
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:01,679
are

2429
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:03,760
why don't we be open-minded to the

2430
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:05,119
possibility

2431
01:40:09,590 --> 01:40:07,040
that there might be others

2432
01:40:10,790 --> 01:40:09,600
smarter than us out there now

2433
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:10,800
let's let's

2434
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:14,400
let's stop right there for a second um i

2435
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:18,239
understand if uh your goals

2436
01:40:21,030 --> 01:40:19,199
if you

2437
01:40:23,109 --> 01:40:21,040
uh find something interesting with the

2438
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:23,119
galileo project

2439
01:40:26,070 --> 01:40:24,400
a paper is going to get written you're

2440
01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:26,080
going to talk to the public about it and

2441
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:28,239
say this is what we found

2442
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:30,480
if perseverance

2443
01:40:37,750 --> 01:40:34,000
rolls over a coke can on mars

2444
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:37,760
or finds a a spacecraft from ancient

2445
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:39,280
times

2446
01:40:44,470 --> 01:40:42,560
would nasa make that a public

2447
01:40:46,229 --> 01:40:44,480
would would we even know about that

2448
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:46,239
would we find out

2449
01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:48,159
of course as long as it's part

2450
01:40:53,510 --> 01:40:50,320
of a scientific mission like

2451
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:53,520
perseverance uh we will know about it uh

2452
01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:55,360
i mean the only reason that

2453
01:40:59,990 --> 01:40:58,239
we don't hear for example uh

2454
01:41:03,109 --> 01:41:00,000
about most of the

2455
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:03,119
evidence that was in the uh

2456
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:04,560
office of the director of national

2457
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:06,480
intelligence report to congress is

2458
01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:09,360
because it was taken by uh classified

2459
01:41:15,590 --> 01:41:12,080
instruments classified sensors that the

2460
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:15,600
government owns and is using them to

2461
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:18,400
protect the nation you see that there

2462
01:41:22,149 --> 01:41:21,040
are of national security importance and

2463
01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:22,159
because

2464
01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:24,480
uh the data was collected by such

2465
01:41:28,070 --> 01:41:26,159
sensors

2466
01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:28,080
it's not being released so it's kept in

2467
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:30,639
secret and it's not so much that

2468
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:33,360
the data itself is kept in secret but

2469
01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:35,920
the fact that we have that data could

2470
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:38,560
allow our adversaries to tell what kind

2471
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:39,280
of

2472
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:41,679
sensors we are using so as a result the

2473
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:44,400
data is not released and you know

2474
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:46,639
if you collect the data with

2475
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:50,239
instruments that are public

2476
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:52,000
scientific

2477
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:53,360
then it will be

2478
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:54,960
the data that is collected will be

2479
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:56,639
available to the public i don't see any

2480
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:59,600
way that anyone would restrict access to

2481
01:42:01,590 --> 01:42:00,880
that data

2482
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:01,600
so

2483
01:42:06,149 --> 01:42:04,080
all scientific projects are supposed to

2484
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:06,159
be open and that's what the galileo

2485
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:07,600
project will be

2486
01:42:12,629 --> 01:42:09,679
and that's what you should expect also

2487
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:12,639
from any project that nasa is sending

2488
01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:15,840
out as a scientific project now with uh

2489
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:17,119
staying on the

2490
01:42:23,669 --> 01:42:20,880
the uap tf report that was released

2491
01:42:27,669 --> 01:42:23,679
i am going to read it with

2492
01:42:29,990 --> 01:42:27,679
uh my small brain and i'm going to

2493
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:30,000
run that through a filter

2494
01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:32,560
that that is

2495
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:35,280
exclusive to me i'm going to read it a

2496
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:38,320
certain way and extrapolate it in a

2497
01:42:41,669 --> 01:42:39,600
certain way

2498
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:41,679
you're an academic

2499
01:42:47,430 --> 01:42:44,159
as you read that report

2500
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:47,440
and you see something like we have 144

2501
01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:50,320
cases that are classified one was

2502
01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:54,560
uh figured out so that leaves 143

2503
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:56,639
as as a professional academic what does

2504
01:43:01,590 --> 01:42:58,159
that tell you

2505
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:01,600
why you know it's being scientific data

2506
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:05,360
or i'm sorry i'm sorry military uh

2507
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:07,600
data that's one thing but there's also

2508
01:43:12,790 --> 01:43:09,360
eyewitnesses there

2509
01:43:14,709 --> 01:43:12,800
and you could definitely state

2510
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:14,719
what types of craft

2511
01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:16,480
were involved with this you don't have

2512
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:18,480
to reveal how it was discovered and what

2513
01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:20,400
the data and what the mechanics and

2514
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:22,800
logistics were behind it but what were

2515
01:43:26,950 --> 01:43:24,960
the cases themselves

2516
01:43:28,629 --> 01:43:26,960
why doesn't you know why keep that

2517
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:28,639
secret

2518
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:30,880
so some of the objects that were

2519
01:43:34,629 --> 01:43:32,560
reported that were discovered by

2520
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:34,639
multiple instruments and

2521
01:43:37,750 --> 01:43:35,600
and that

2522
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:37,760
makes them real

2523
01:43:41,669 --> 01:43:38,719
and

2524
01:43:44,229 --> 01:43:41,679
the report just doesn't provide enough

2525
01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:44,239
information about their nature and

2526
01:43:48,229 --> 01:43:46,400
i i assume that the people who wrote

2527
01:43:50,310 --> 01:43:48,239
their report don't really know what

2528
01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:50,320
these objects are but

2529
01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:53,040
they want to talk about them because

2530
01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:56,239
they feel that they may be of

2531
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:59,360
uh an unusual origin and

2532
01:44:03,590 --> 01:44:00,800
to me that is

2533
01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:03,600
the message of the odni report that that

2534
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:05,679
there is something intriguing

2535
01:44:10,629 --> 01:44:07,920
and that scientists should figure it out

2536
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:10,639
that's very simple and the way that

2537
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:13,520
science is done is

2538
01:44:17,109 --> 01:44:14,320
by

2539
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:17,119
getting better evidence better data so

2540
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:19,600
that it can guide us you see if if you

2541
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:21,840
see a fuzzy image that is not good

2542
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:23,440
enough to tell you the nature of the

2543
01:44:27,510 --> 01:44:25,440
object you're looking at you're trying

2544
01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:27,520
to build a telescope that is big enough

2545
01:44:32,149 --> 01:44:30,159
so that it will get a crisper image

2546
01:44:33,669 --> 01:44:32,159
you you would be able to tell what this

2547
01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:33,679
object is it's

2548
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:34,960
it's sort of like

2549
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:40,229
camera

2550
01:44:43,669 --> 01:44:41,520
at home

2551
01:44:45,990 --> 01:44:43,679
in order to get

2552
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:46,000
crispier images of whatever you're

2553
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:48,800
photographing and um and and so that's

2554
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:51,600
an obvious way to figure out what

2555
01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:54,080
something is is to get more data on it

2556
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:55,199
it's

2557
01:44:58,709 --> 01:44:56,960
i think the worst thing we can do is

2558
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:58,719
argue about it and leave it for the

2559
01:45:03,590 --> 01:45:00,880
government to figure out because the

2560
01:45:06,070 --> 01:45:03,600
government is really not in the job of

2561
01:45:07,590 --> 01:45:06,080
you know scientific inquiry figuring out

2562
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:07,600
what things are

2563
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:09,840
the government is has some objectives

2564
01:45:14,550 --> 01:45:11,760
that are often political that are

2565
01:45:16,629 --> 01:45:14,560
national security in origin and

2566
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:16,639
this is not the same as

2567
01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:18,400
a scientific inquiry which is just

2568
01:45:21,910 --> 01:45:20,400
trying you know innocently to figure out

2569
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:21,920
what something is

2570
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:23,440
i think this subject you know most of

2571
01:45:27,830 --> 01:45:25,760
the sky is not classified

2572
01:45:30,149 --> 01:45:27,840
uh so we can just observe it with

2573
01:45:31,990 --> 01:45:30,159
telescopes and follow objects of

2574
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:32,000
interest you see astronomers were

2575
01:45:35,830 --> 01:45:33,600
looking are looking at the sky but they

2576
01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:35,840
are not they're fixated

2577
01:45:40,070 --> 01:45:37,760
on very distant

2578
01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:40,080
sources that are not moving much

2579
01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:41,440
here you have

2580
01:45:45,830 --> 01:45:43,600
to monitor things that are moving and

2581
01:45:48,629 --> 01:45:45,840
and that's very different so astronomers

2582
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:48,639
so far we're not really pursuing this

2583
01:45:53,669 --> 01:45:50,639
this task and for the first time the

2584
01:45:55,109 --> 01:45:53,679
galileo project is trying to do that and

2585
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:55,119
let's see what we get

2586
01:45:58,830 --> 01:45:56,320
now uh

2587
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:58,840
the other interesting part about the

2588
01:46:01,750 --> 01:46:00,400
uaptf

2589
01:46:05,270 --> 01:46:01,760
and i do want to talk about the

2590
01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:05,280
intelligence budget that uh for 2022

2591
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:08,880
that addresses things a step further but

2592
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:13,760
uh the uaptf report said it's not us

2593
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:15,199
we know that

2594
01:46:19,990 --> 01:46:17,520
it's not a foreign adversary it's not

2595
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:20,000
russia and china we know that

2596
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:22,880
well wait a minute avi

2597
01:46:27,109 --> 01:46:25,600
what's left right what's left well

2598
01:46:29,910 --> 01:46:27,119
what's left is

2599
01:46:32,950 --> 01:46:29,920
well actually a couple of things one

2600
01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:32,960
it could be some unusual

2601
01:46:36,629 --> 01:46:35,440
natural phenomena that we've never

2602
01:46:38,790 --> 01:46:36,639
imagined

2603
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:38,800
uh it could be some malfunction of the

2604
01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:40,719
instruments you know that for some

2605
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:43,600
reason conspires to look as if it's a

2606
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:45,840
real object but it's not

2607
01:46:50,470 --> 01:46:48,000
and of course

2608
01:46:52,550 --> 01:46:50,480
it could be

2609
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:52,560
equipment from an extraterrestrial

2610
01:46:56,550 --> 01:46:54,800
technological origin

2611
01:46:58,470 --> 01:46:56,560
and in order to figure out which of

2612
01:47:02,390 --> 01:46:58,480
these possibilities is the correct

2613
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:04,629
build instruments that i have full

2614
01:47:09,430 --> 01:47:07,440
control over it's not a jittery camera

2615
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:09,440
in a cockpit of a fighter jet you know

2616
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:11,600
that you have no control over it's not

2617
01:47:15,350 --> 01:47:14,400
the cell phone of some person on the

2618
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:15,360
street

2619
01:47:20,149 --> 01:47:17,600
that is not stable that has poor

2620
01:47:22,390 --> 01:47:20,159
resolution you see fuzzy things

2621
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:22,400
it needs to be scientific instruments

2622
01:47:26,870 --> 01:47:25,280
that are state-of-the-art that we have

2623
01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:26,880
full control over

2624
01:47:31,590 --> 01:47:30,400
and that we analyze the data of you know

2625
01:47:34,070 --> 01:47:31,600
using

2626
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:34,080
the best computer systems and

2627
01:47:37,109 --> 01:47:35,040
uh

2628
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:37,119
in a way that we fully understand and

2629
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:38,800
the data will be open

2630
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:40,960
and i think that is the way to clear up

2631
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:42,000
the fog

2632
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:44,159
and it's not you know something it's not

2633
01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:47,760
a philosophical debate it's just

2634
01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:49,840
a subject on which we need to get more

2635
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:52,000
data to get to the bottom of which is

2636
01:47:57,270 --> 01:47:54,800
exactly the approach that science takes

2637
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:57,280
towards many questions like what is the

2638
01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:59,280
nature of dark matter we don't know what

2639
01:48:03,189 --> 01:48:00,960
most of the matter in the universe so we

2640
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:03,199
do experiments and we invested hundreds

2641
01:48:06,149 --> 01:48:04,400
of millions of dollars looking for

2642
01:48:09,030 --> 01:48:06,159
specific types of particles that make up

2643
01:48:11,189 --> 01:48:09,040
the dark matter we haven't found it yet

2644
01:48:13,350 --> 01:48:11,199
and i think in much the same spirit you

2645
01:48:15,030 --> 01:48:13,360
know we can search in the dark

2646
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:15,040
for equipment

2647
01:48:19,910 --> 01:48:16,960
from other civilizations and i don't see

2648
01:48:22,070 --> 01:48:19,920
that as less likely to give us important

2649
01:48:24,390 --> 01:48:22,080
results than the search for specific

2650
01:48:26,149 --> 01:48:24,400
types of dark matter so i think it

2651
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:26,159
should be part of the mainstream of

2652
01:48:30,229 --> 01:48:28,560
science to look for objects of interest

2653
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:30,239
in the sky

2654
01:48:35,990 --> 01:48:33,040
and it's really unfortunate that it you

2655
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:36,000
know this commonsensical view is not

2656
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:37,199
adapted

2657
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:39,199
uh yet by the mainstream of the

2658
01:48:44,550 --> 01:48:41,440
scientific community but my hope is that

2659
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:44,560
in the coming years we'll change the

2660
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:46,800
intellectual climate in academia and it

2661
01:48:50,870 --> 01:48:48,719
will become mainstream and that's you

2662
01:48:54,149 --> 01:48:50,880
know part of the mission of the galileo

2663
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:54,159
project now the uaptf has been

2664
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:57,040
dismantled there's a new uh group that

2665
01:49:01,109 --> 01:48:59,280
has been put together

2666
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:01,119
and is

2667
01:49:06,950 --> 01:49:04,560
going to be funded in in 2022

2668
01:49:10,550 --> 01:49:06,960
to collect this data

2669
01:49:13,030 --> 01:49:10,560
um there is uh the gila brand uh

2670
01:49:16,870 --> 01:49:13,040
legislation that is uh been put forth

2671
01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:16,880
too as well do you anticipate uh some

2672
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:20,080
cooperation with the galileo project and

2673
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:21,760
the collection of data that the

2674
01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:23,280
department of defense is putting

2675
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:24,880
together

2676
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:26,800
well so the galileo project has some

2677
01:49:31,589 --> 01:49:29,280
guiding principles one of which is that

2678
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:31,599
we will deal only with open data not

2679
01:49:36,550 --> 01:49:34,960
classified data because we want our data

2680
01:49:40,229 --> 01:49:36,560
to be available to the scientific

2681
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:40,239
community at large and as long as

2682
01:49:44,390 --> 01:49:42,400
anyone else

2683
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:44,400
adheres to this

2684
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:46,400
guiding principle then we'll be glad to

2685
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:53,510
that that is providing us with new data

2686
01:49:55,589 --> 01:49:54,719
and

2687
01:49:58,470 --> 01:49:55,599
but

2688
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:58,480
we are mostly geared towards assembling

2689
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:00,800
our own instruments collecting our own

2690
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:04,000
data but if someone

2691
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:06,480
that has higher quality data that was

2692
01:50:10,149 --> 01:50:07,760
not yet

2693
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:10,159
made public that

2694
01:50:13,990 --> 01:50:12,320
if that someone would like to make it

2695
01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:14,000
public and allow

2696
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:16,000
the scientific research team of the gala

2697
01:50:20,229 --> 01:50:17,920
project look at that you know we could

2698
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:20,239
do that as long as it's open the data is

2699
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:21,040
open

2700
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:22,480
um

2701
01:50:25,990 --> 01:50:23,520
so

2702
01:50:26,950 --> 01:50:26,000
i i very much upload any

2703
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:26,960
uh

2704
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:30,320
move towards transparency and the

2705
01:50:34,229 --> 01:50:32,400
gilibrand amendment is a move in the

2706
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:34,239
right direction it's not clear whether

2707
01:50:37,930 --> 01:50:36,080
it will be

2708
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:37,940
in force or or

2709
01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:39,119
[Music]

2710
01:50:41,189 --> 01:50:40,320
embraced

2711
01:50:44,470 --> 01:50:41,199
uh

2712
01:50:47,589 --> 01:50:44,480
in in congress we we have to to see but

2713
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:47,599
or maybe a reduced version of it will be

2714
01:50:51,910 --> 01:50:50,000
uh i think it's really important to get

2715
01:50:54,310 --> 01:50:51,920
scientists involved

2716
01:50:56,070 --> 01:50:54,320
even if dealing with classified data you

2717
01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:56,080
know that's not part of the galileo

2718
01:50:59,669 --> 01:50:58,159
project but if the government decides to

2719
01:51:01,830 --> 01:50:59,679
look into those

2720
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:01,840
those data in a more scientific way that

2721
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:03,840
would be i mean i i think that would be

2722
01:51:06,629 --> 01:51:04,800
great

2723
01:51:08,709 --> 01:51:06,639
eventually i think the data should be

2724
01:51:09,910 --> 01:51:08,719
open if it's not a matter of national

2725
01:51:11,430 --> 01:51:09,920
security and it's a matter of

2726
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:11,440
international

2727
01:51:14,709 --> 01:51:12,480
uh

2728
01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:14,719
interest then it should be open because

2729
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:16,800
it's part of this scientific

2730
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:18,560
exploration you know if we're trying to

2731
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:21,010
figure out our cosmic neighborhood

2732
01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:22,560
[Music]

2733
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:23,520
so

2734
01:51:27,270 --> 01:51:25,760
one way or another eventually the data

2735
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:27,280
should be open and

2736
01:51:31,669 --> 01:51:28,320
um

2737
01:51:33,750 --> 01:51:31,679
i i i upload the attempts to make it

2738
01:51:35,589 --> 01:51:33,760
to make the process of analyzing data

2739
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:35,599
more transparent

2740
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:38,000
now when we come back after the break

2741
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:40,719
we've still got a few minutes to that

2742
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:43,199
i do want to talk about direct contact

2743
01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:45,840
and and the pursuit of that and how it

2744
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:47,440
could be possible

2745
01:51:51,750 --> 01:51:49,840
but there's uh another thing that i

2746
01:51:52,790 --> 01:51:51,760
wanted to address you know really

2747
01:51:55,589 --> 01:51:52,800
quickly

2748
01:51:57,830 --> 01:51:55,599
in the budget in the intelligence budget

2749
01:51:59,589 --> 01:51:57,840
there are five points or there's seven

2750
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:59,599
but there's five points that were really

2751
01:52:03,750 --> 01:52:00,719
interesting

2752
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:03,760
and one of them avi stood out

2753
01:52:10,149 --> 01:52:07,119
and it said that any

2754
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:10,159
debris or objects that were retrieved

2755
01:52:16,149 --> 01:52:13,360
from a uap crash retrieval

2756
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:16,159
should be made public and reported on

2757
01:52:21,589 --> 01:52:19,199
and and i have to step back and go what

2758
01:52:23,350 --> 01:52:21,599
are they talking about here it seems to

2759
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:23,360
me that they know

2760
01:52:28,870 --> 01:52:25,679
that objects have crashed on this planet

2761
01:52:32,950 --> 01:52:28,880
and and they weren't aware of it it was

2762
01:52:35,189 --> 01:52:32,960
kept secret and now they want reports on

2763
01:52:38,229 --> 01:52:35,199
this and they want that knowledge

2764
01:52:40,950 --> 01:52:38,239
to be part of the public forum

2765
01:52:42,550 --> 01:52:40,960
it did does that surprise you and does

2766
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:42,560
it suggest that

2767
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:46,239
there has been crashed retrievals

2768
01:52:50,790 --> 01:52:48,880
uh i don't know i haven't seen

2769
01:52:53,030 --> 01:52:50,800
any evidence for that so i cannot

2770
01:52:55,669 --> 01:52:53,040
comment on that um you know as a

2771
01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:55,679
scientist i only i can only speak about

2772
01:53:01,589 --> 01:52:59,040
things that i'm fully aware of and i've

2773
01:53:03,430 --> 01:53:01,599
seen the evidence for and

2774
01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:03,440
this is not one of them

2775
01:53:09,270 --> 01:53:05,760
yeah and the reason why i haven't i

2776
01:53:11,669 --> 01:53:09,280
haven't retrieved any any objects myself

2777
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:11,679
but what i'm suggesting here is that

2778
01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:15,360
this discussion is happening and it it

2779
01:53:18,950 --> 01:53:17,199
suggests to me

2780
01:53:21,270 --> 01:53:18,960
that if it's worth talking about and

2781
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:21,280
putting it in the budget something has

2782
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:23,199
been going on that the public has not

2783
01:53:27,030 --> 01:53:25,520
been made aware of in the past

2784
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:27,040
well it would be very interesting if

2785
01:53:31,270 --> 01:53:29,440
that's the case but um

2786
01:53:34,070 --> 01:53:31,280
i'm part of the public and i'm not aware

2787
01:53:36,310 --> 01:53:34,080
of it so uh i i look forward to seeing

2788
01:53:38,709 --> 01:53:36,320
more evidence for anything that was

2789
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:38,719
found yeah yeah

2790
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:41,280
and we need to take a break here uh but

2791
01:53:45,510 --> 01:53:42,960
when we come back

2792
01:53:47,669 --> 01:53:45,520
um what i want to uh talk about

2793
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:47,679
something that is not only in your book

2794
01:53:53,510 --> 01:53:50,560
but uh i i find it very interesting not

2795
01:53:56,709 --> 01:53:53,520
only with seti but if there is

2796
01:53:59,910 --> 01:53:56,719
communication going on out there how is

2797
01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:59,920
it possible that we would know

2798
01:54:03,910 --> 01:54:01,199
what it is

2799
01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:03,920
right and and i want to

2800
01:54:08,709 --> 01:54:06,960
it could just appear to us as noise

2801
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:08,719
our hours

2802
01:54:11,430 --> 01:54:09,520
uh

2803
01:54:13,510 --> 01:54:11,440
radio and television broadcasts and

2804
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things that come off of this planet may

2805
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not be radio and television broadcast to

2806
01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:17,360
extraterrestrials

2807
01:54:22,629 --> 01:54:20,800
right it could be just noise to them and

2808
01:54:25,030 --> 01:54:22,639
i want to talk about all of that when we

2809
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:25,040
come back let's take our break right now

2810
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:27,840
our guest tonight professor avi loeb

2811
01:54:31,910 --> 01:54:30,480
we're talking about the galileo project

2812
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periods of time you can see them flying

2859
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or running across the floor

2860
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ooh yuck

2861
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they're unhealthy gross and disgusting

2862
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2863
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we keep a clean home but occasionally

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bugs show up

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2905
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this is fade to black with jimmy church

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2907
01:59:12,070 --> 01:59:10,480
welcome back this is faded black i'm

2908
01:59:14,470 --> 01:59:12,080
your host jimmy church another great

2909
01:59:16,709 --> 01:59:14,480
conversation with professor avi loeb

2910
01:59:19,189 --> 01:59:16,719
from harvard and we are talking about

2911
01:59:21,589 --> 01:59:19,199
the galileo project tonight

2912
01:59:24,229 --> 01:59:21,599
and and avi this is

2913
01:59:26,390 --> 01:59:24,239
this is an area that i don't fully

2914
01:59:27,510 --> 01:59:26,400
understand i'm trying to wrap my head

2915
01:59:29,430 --> 01:59:27,520
around

2916
01:59:33,589 --> 01:59:29,440
and that is

2917
01:59:37,430 --> 01:59:33,599
are we expecting et to operate

2918
01:59:40,870 --> 01:59:37,440
in our time scale right the way that we

2919
01:59:43,350 --> 01:59:40,880
are and understand each other here

2920
01:59:46,870 --> 01:59:43,360
with communications and just seeing each

2921
01:59:48,149 --> 01:59:46,880
other right in in this dimension

2922
01:59:51,189 --> 01:59:48,159
um

2923
01:59:53,350 --> 01:59:51,199
would we be if we intercepted something

2924
01:59:56,550 --> 01:59:53,360
out there or saw something

2925
01:59:59,030 --> 01:59:56,560
aren't we expecting them to be in our

2926
02:00:01,589 --> 01:59:59,040
time scale and and something that would

2927
02:00:03,830 --> 02:00:01,599
be visible to us

2928
02:00:05,350 --> 02:00:03,840
well the best way to think about this is

2929
02:00:07,270 --> 02:00:05,360
just imagine

2930
02:00:08,629 --> 02:00:07,280
you know human history you know we

2931
02:00:09,750 --> 02:00:08,639
started

2932
02:00:12,790 --> 02:00:09,760
uh

2933
02:00:15,189 --> 02:00:12,800
being not very different than

2934
02:00:17,830 --> 02:00:15,199
chimpanzees and you know then we went to

2935
02:00:19,189 --> 02:00:17,840
caves and so forth and um

2936
02:00:22,470 --> 02:00:19,199
just imagine

2937
02:00:25,830 --> 02:00:22,480
an early version of us meeting

2938
02:00:29,430 --> 02:00:25,840
us today you know like they would see

2939
02:00:30,629 --> 02:00:29,440
cars or see cell phones and

2940
02:00:32,790 --> 02:00:30,639
just

2941
02:00:34,709 --> 02:00:32,800
you know for them it would be

2942
02:00:38,950 --> 02:00:34,719
out of this world

2943
02:00:40,390 --> 02:00:38,960
um so it's not so much a matter of

2944
02:00:42,709 --> 02:00:40,400
being born

2945
02:00:44,709 --> 02:00:42,719
uh more intelligent

2946
02:00:47,030 --> 02:00:44,719
but just aging you know if a

2947
02:00:48,709 --> 02:00:47,040
technological civilization gets better

2948
02:00:50,709 --> 02:00:48,719
and better with time and that's what we

2949
02:00:52,550 --> 02:00:50,719
are doing right now and actually

2950
02:00:54,870 --> 02:00:52,560
right now technological development is

2951
02:00:57,189 --> 02:00:54,880
accelerating for example artificial

2952
02:00:59,350 --> 02:00:57,199
intelligence over the past few years

2953
02:01:01,910 --> 02:00:59,360
started accelerating in a very rapid

2954
02:01:04,709 --> 02:01:01,920
pace and you know you have

2955
02:01:07,030 --> 02:01:04,719
it's being used in self-driving cars and

2956
02:01:08,709 --> 02:01:07,040
you see in the future i imagine it being

2957
02:01:10,950 --> 02:01:08,719
used

2958
02:01:13,430 --> 02:01:10,960
in space you know you would send the

2959
02:01:15,990 --> 02:01:13,440
artificial intelligence astronauts ai

2960
02:01:18,149 --> 02:01:16,000
astronauts instead of humans because

2961
02:01:20,709 --> 02:01:18,159
you humans are very vulnerable to the

2962
02:01:23,430 --> 02:01:20,719
hazardous conditions in space there are

2963
02:01:25,510 --> 02:01:23,440
energetic particles can destroy

2964
02:01:28,149 --> 02:01:25,520
a significant number of cells in human

2965
02:01:30,229 --> 02:01:28,159
brain within a few years uh

2966
02:01:32,950 --> 02:01:30,239
if you are not protected by the earth's

2967
02:01:34,629 --> 02:01:32,960
magnetosphere if you go far away like

2968
02:01:36,310 --> 02:01:34,639
if you go to the surface of mars you

2969
02:01:38,070 --> 02:01:36,320
know i don't think it's a good idea

2970
02:01:40,070 --> 02:01:38,080
without proper protection i mean you can

2971
02:01:42,149 --> 02:01:40,080
go underground and protect yourself but

2972
02:01:45,510 --> 02:01:42,159
otherwise it's very dangerous

2973
02:01:47,750 --> 02:01:45,520
but if you send equipment like um ai

2974
02:01:50,229 --> 02:01:47,760
astronauts that are made of

2975
02:01:52,470 --> 02:01:50,239
electronics they could survive and they

2976
02:01:55,430 --> 02:01:52,480
could survive for very long times

2977
02:01:56,229 --> 02:01:55,440
and so that's i think what eventually

2978
02:02:00,950 --> 02:01:56,239
will

2979
02:02:03,109 --> 02:02:00,960
likely that another civilization

2980
02:02:05,589 --> 02:02:03,119
might have sent it already and we will

2981
02:02:08,070 --> 02:02:05,599
not find biological creatures visiting

2982
02:02:09,030 --> 02:02:08,080
us we will find ai astronauts visiting

2983
02:02:10,870 --> 02:02:09,040
us

2984
02:02:13,350 --> 02:02:10,880
and

2985
02:02:15,910 --> 02:02:13,360
so what i'm trying to say is that

2986
02:02:18,550 --> 02:02:15,920
you know if we imagine our future

2987
02:02:22,310 --> 02:02:18,560
they may have already reached whatever

2988
02:02:23,910 --> 02:02:22,320
we would get to in our future so if they

2989
02:02:26,950 --> 02:02:23,920
predated us

2990
02:02:28,950 --> 02:02:26,960
they may represent our future and

2991
02:02:31,109 --> 02:02:28,960
if you go back to a caveman you know

2992
02:02:34,310 --> 02:02:31,119
when a caveman sees a cell phone the

2993
02:02:35,669 --> 02:02:34,320
caveman would think it's a shiny rock

2994
02:02:37,669 --> 02:02:35,679
and

2995
02:02:39,430 --> 02:02:37,679
of course the way for the caveman to

2996
02:02:42,070 --> 02:02:39,440
learn something new is by pressing

2997
02:02:44,229 --> 02:02:42,080
buttons on this shiny rock and realizing

2998
02:02:45,270 --> 02:02:44,239
that it records his voice or records his

2999
02:02:47,589 --> 02:02:45,280
image and

3000
02:02:50,870 --> 02:02:47,599
then it would imply that it's not a rock

3001
02:02:52,790 --> 02:02:50,880
so for us you know it will just be

3002
02:02:54,310 --> 02:02:52,800
an experience if we meet something from

3003
02:02:57,669 --> 02:02:54,320
our future

3004
02:03:00,470 --> 02:02:57,679
uh we might not figure it out but

3005
02:03:03,669 --> 02:03:00,480
just like the caveman can tell that a

3006
02:03:06,790 --> 02:03:03,679
cellphone is not a rock we should be

3007
02:03:09,270 --> 02:03:06,800
able to tell that whatever we find is

3008
02:03:11,910 --> 02:03:09,280
not natural in origin you know it's not

3009
02:03:14,390 --> 02:03:11,920
it's an artificial object we cannot

3010
02:03:15,910 --> 02:03:14,400
quite figure out what it's doing

3011
02:03:18,070 --> 02:03:15,920
what it's after

3012
02:03:19,350 --> 02:03:18,080
what it represents

3013
02:03:21,189 --> 02:03:19,360
but it looks

3014
02:03:22,310 --> 02:03:21,199
unusual okay and

3015
02:03:25,350 --> 02:03:22,320
that's

3016
02:03:27,430 --> 02:03:25,360
by itself you know an advance just like

3017
02:03:30,229 --> 02:03:27,440
the cavemen would realize the cell phone

3018
02:03:32,310 --> 02:03:30,239
is something else you know and

3019
02:03:34,470 --> 02:03:32,320
that would be the first step for us to

3020
02:03:36,070 --> 02:03:34,480
see something else something that we've

3021
02:03:36,790 --> 02:03:36,080
never seen before

3022
02:03:38,790 --> 02:03:36,800
and

3023
02:03:41,189 --> 02:03:38,800
what planetary scientists are doing

3024
02:03:42,629 --> 02:03:41,199
right now with respect to omomua they

3025
02:03:44,390 --> 02:03:42,639
basically say

3026
02:03:46,149 --> 02:03:44,400
you know it's a rock of a type that

3027
02:03:49,030 --> 02:03:46,159
we've never seen before

3028
02:03:52,069 --> 02:03:49,040
and they say it's a nitrogen iceberg a

3029
02:03:54,709 --> 02:03:52,079
chip of frozen nitrogen that was chipped

3030
02:03:56,550 --> 02:03:54,719
off the surface of a planet like pluto

3031
02:03:58,229 --> 02:03:56,560
around another star

3032
02:03:59,990 --> 02:03:58,239
even though there is a problem with the

3033
02:04:02,149 --> 02:04:00,000
mass budget of nitrogen there is not

3034
02:04:05,189 --> 02:04:02,159
enough nitrogen to do that that's what

3035
02:04:07,109 --> 02:04:05,199
some people argue very strongly for

3036
02:04:08,870 --> 02:04:07,119
other people argue for a hydrogen

3037
02:04:11,189 --> 02:04:08,880
iceberg again something we've never seen

3038
02:04:13,189 --> 02:04:11,199
before a chunk of frozen hydrogen we

3039
02:04:14,950 --> 02:04:13,199
don't know if nature produces it but

3040
02:04:18,149 --> 02:04:14,960
that's considered part of the mainstream

3041
02:04:22,229 --> 02:04:18,159
to argue that maybe omua was that and

3042
02:04:23,990 --> 02:04:22,239
then another team says maybe it's a

3043
02:04:26,550 --> 02:04:24,000
cloud of dust particles that are very

3044
02:04:27,430 --> 02:04:26,560
loosely bound 100 times less dense than

3045
02:04:28,950 --> 02:04:27,440
air

3046
02:04:30,790 --> 02:04:28,960
and there the problem is that it will

3047
02:04:32,709 --> 02:04:30,800
not maintain its integrity when it gets

3048
02:04:34,950 --> 02:04:32,719
close to the sun and heated

3049
02:04:38,229 --> 02:04:34,960
with a hydrogen iceberg it would get

3050
02:04:40,390 --> 02:04:38,239
evaporated very quickly so all of these

3051
02:04:42,629 --> 02:04:40,400
things that we've never seen before they

3052
02:04:45,270 --> 02:04:42,639
there are explanations that are

3053
02:04:46,390 --> 02:04:45,280
just um placeholders for something

3054
02:04:48,550 --> 02:04:46,400
natural

3055
02:04:50,790 --> 02:04:48,560
we've never seen anything like it before

3056
02:04:52,950 --> 02:04:50,800
and nevertheless those planetary

3057
02:04:55,830 --> 02:04:52,960
scientists are attracted to them because

3058
02:04:57,750 --> 02:04:55,840
they allow them an escape route just

3059
02:04:59,990 --> 02:04:57,760
like the caveman looking at the cell

3060
02:05:01,669 --> 02:05:00,000
phone and saying oh it's just a rock of

3061
02:05:04,149 --> 02:05:01,679
another type that i've never seen before

3062
02:05:05,990 --> 02:05:04,159
and then it throws it away forgets about

3063
02:05:08,790 --> 02:05:06,000
it business as usual comes back to the

3064
02:05:10,310 --> 02:05:08,800
cave and tells his family i just saw a

3065
02:05:12,870 --> 02:05:10,320
shiny rock and that's it don't worry

3066
02:05:14,709 --> 02:05:12,880
about it that's the natural approach and

3067
02:05:15,589 --> 02:05:14,719
that's the worst approach that we can

3068
02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:15,599
take

3069
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:18,400
i think it makes much more sense for us

3070
02:05:24,550 --> 02:05:20,800
to press buttons on things that look

3071
02:05:25,589 --> 02:05:24,560
weird and try to see what they are

3072
02:05:28,950 --> 02:05:25,599
now

3073
02:05:31,109 --> 02:05:28,960
the the recent uh press releases about

3074
02:05:32,229 --> 02:05:31,119
these two exoplanets uh that were just

3075
02:05:34,950 --> 02:05:32,239
discovered

3076
02:05:38,149 --> 02:05:34,960
uh both earth-like uh one wasn't one was

3077
02:05:40,149 --> 02:05:38,159
jupiter uh a super jupiter but

3078
02:05:41,350 --> 02:05:40,159
uh making

3079
02:05:44,470 --> 02:05:41,360
uh

3080
02:05:45,510 --> 02:05:44,480
a 16-hour year

3081
02:05:48,870 --> 02:05:45,520
now

3082
02:05:52,470 --> 02:05:48,880
it's hard for me to understand a planet

3083
02:05:54,870 --> 02:05:52,480
that is going around its star in 16

3084
02:05:59,350 --> 02:05:54,880
hours that is their year that's their

3085
02:06:01,430 --> 02:05:59,360
time scale here it's 365 days right

3086
02:06:02,470 --> 02:06:01,440
it's a different speed

3087
02:06:05,990 --> 02:06:02,480
does

3088
02:06:08,470 --> 02:06:06,000
the experience if there is extra

3089
02:06:10,470 --> 02:06:08,480
terrestrial life on that planet

3090
02:06:13,750 --> 02:06:10,480
is their year

3091
02:06:16,470 --> 02:06:13,760
that 16 hours is it experienced the same

3092
02:06:18,069 --> 02:06:16,480
as our year

3093
02:06:20,229 --> 02:06:18,079
right

3094
02:06:23,030 --> 02:06:20,239
but actually a better example to think

3095
02:06:25,669 --> 02:06:23,040
about is the nearest star to the sun

3096
02:06:28,229 --> 02:06:25,679
which is called proxima centauri right

3097
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:28,239
uh it's a dwarf star 12 of the mass of

3098
02:06:32,069 --> 02:06:30,560
the sun and it has half the surface

3099
02:06:34,470 --> 02:06:32,079
temperature of the sun so it emits

3100
02:06:36,870 --> 02:06:34,480
mostly infrared light and it's fainter

3101
02:06:37,990 --> 02:06:36,880
than the sun but it there happens to be

3102
02:06:40,550 --> 02:06:38,000
a planet

3103
02:06:42,550 --> 02:06:40,560
20 times closer to it than the earth is

3104
02:06:44,790 --> 02:06:42,560
from the sun it's a rocky planet roughly

3105
02:06:46,310 --> 02:06:44,800
the size of the earth and

3106
02:06:48,390 --> 02:06:46,320
it's possible

3107
02:06:51,189 --> 02:06:48,400
that it has liquid water on the surface

3108
02:06:52,709 --> 02:06:51,199
because it's just at the right distance

3109
02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:52,719
to have roughly the same surface

3110
02:06:55,669 --> 02:06:54,480
temperature as the earth

3111
02:06:58,069 --> 02:06:55,679
and

3112
02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:58,079
the only difference is that planet

3113
02:07:01,589 --> 02:06:59,760
circles the star

3114
02:07:03,669 --> 02:07:01,599
every 11 days

3115
02:07:06,229 --> 02:07:03,679
so

3116
02:07:09,350 --> 02:07:06,239
a year is 11 days and by the way the

3117
02:07:11,990 --> 02:07:09,360
planet is most likely tidally locked so

3118
02:07:14,629 --> 02:07:12,000
it shows the same phase to the star at

3119
02:07:16,629 --> 02:07:14,639
all times so it has a permanent day side

3120
02:07:19,270 --> 02:07:16,639
and a permanent night side

3121
02:07:20,470 --> 02:07:19,280
and my daughter said that if we ever go

3122
02:07:22,870 --> 02:07:20,480
there

3123
02:07:25,589 --> 02:07:22,880
she would like to have a house on the

3124
02:07:27,669 --> 02:07:25,599
strip that separates these two sides

3125
02:07:30,550 --> 02:07:27,679
where you can sit on the porch and see

3126
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:30,560
the sunset forever so just imagine

3127
02:07:34,069 --> 02:07:32,000
sitting on the porch and seeing the

3128
02:07:36,709 --> 02:07:34,079
sunset forever

3129
02:07:37,830 --> 02:07:36,719
so all the concepts we have of time

3130
02:07:40,550 --> 02:07:37,840
space

3131
02:07:42,950 --> 02:07:40,560
you know the sunsets and so forth these

3132
02:07:45,830 --> 02:07:42,960
are relative they are special to the

3133
02:07:48,069 --> 02:07:45,840
system that we occupy the solar system

3134
02:07:51,910 --> 02:07:48,079
and are very different elsewhere

3135
02:07:53,830 --> 02:07:51,920
okay so here's the question

3136
02:07:56,470 --> 02:07:53,840
if we

3137
02:07:59,990 --> 02:07:56,480
went to proxima

3138
02:08:02,069 --> 02:08:00,000
and we recorded a video you and i we're

3139
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:02,079
on that sunny porch right with your

3140
02:08:09,109 --> 02:08:06,159
daughter and we record a video

3141
02:08:11,189 --> 02:08:09,119
now is that video

3142
02:08:13,350 --> 02:08:11,199
in a different is it stretched or

3143
02:08:15,270 --> 02:08:13,360
compressed would it be v you know you

3144
02:08:19,750 --> 02:08:15,280
know what i mean is is

3145
02:08:21,669 --> 02:08:19,760
is it different if you are on an 11 day

3146
02:08:24,149 --> 02:08:21,679
year

3147
02:08:26,390 --> 02:08:24,159
is is time different and experience

3148
02:08:28,310 --> 02:08:26,400
different on proxima than it is here on

3149
02:08:30,790 --> 02:08:28,320
earth

3150
02:08:32,950 --> 02:08:30,800
yeah i mean um you know if you were a cl

3151
02:08:35,430 --> 02:08:32,960
a watch then it would

3152
02:08:37,589 --> 02:08:35,440
take at the same rate as here on earth

3153
02:08:38,790 --> 02:08:37,599
it's not thinking very differently it's

3154
02:08:40,229 --> 02:08:38,800
just that

3155
02:08:43,910 --> 02:08:40,239
the planet that

3156
02:08:45,750 --> 02:08:43,920
we will be on is moving around the star

3157
02:08:47,270 --> 02:08:45,760
every 11 days so it's

3158
02:08:49,589 --> 02:08:47,280
you know if you want to celebrate a

3159
02:08:53,270 --> 02:08:49,599
birthday you would have to do it

3160
02:08:54,069 --> 02:08:53,280
every 11 days week and a half and

3161
02:08:56,790 --> 02:08:54,079
so

3162
02:08:58,790 --> 02:08:56,800
you know everything will be different um

3163
02:09:01,430 --> 02:08:58,800
what you see is different because by the

3164
02:09:03,990 --> 02:09:01,440
way it emits this star emits mostly

3165
02:09:06,069 --> 02:09:04,000
infrared light so i asked the students

3166
02:09:09,030 --> 02:09:06,079
in my class say last year

3167
02:09:12,149 --> 02:09:09,040
if they know of any animal on earth that

3168
02:09:14,870 --> 02:09:12,159
has infrared eyes and one of them said

3169
02:09:16,870 --> 02:09:14,880
yeah actually there is a shrimp and it

3170
02:09:19,830 --> 02:09:16,880
had and she brought

3171
02:09:20,790 --> 02:09:19,840
an image of that shrimp

3172
02:09:22,550 --> 02:09:20,800
and

3173
02:09:23,910 --> 02:09:22,560
she realized that

3174
02:09:26,310 --> 02:09:23,920
uh in fact

3175
02:09:28,310 --> 02:09:26,320
it has um

3176
02:09:30,229 --> 02:09:28,320
eyeballs that look like ping pong balls

3177
02:09:33,510 --> 02:09:30,239
and they are connected with cords to the

3178
02:09:37,270 --> 02:09:33,520
head of the shrimp and uh she said

3179
02:09:40,550 --> 02:09:37,280
well it looks like an alien to me

3180
02:09:41,350 --> 02:09:40,560
do you have an ice cream truck outside

3181
02:09:43,030 --> 02:09:41,360
um

3182
02:09:45,430 --> 02:09:43,040
not right now

3183
02:09:46,550 --> 02:09:45,440
it's freezing it's freezing in boston

3184
02:09:51,350 --> 02:09:46,560
the um

3185
02:09:52,310 --> 02:09:51,360
uh okay so but here is this is where i i

3186
02:09:54,709 --> 02:09:52,320
really

3187
02:09:56,550 --> 02:09:54,719
have a a problem understanding what is

3188
02:09:57,750 --> 02:09:56,560
going on for instance

3189
02:10:01,109 --> 02:09:57,760
if you

3190
02:10:03,669 --> 02:10:01,119
and i we go to proxima and now we are

3191
02:10:04,950 --> 02:10:03,679
experiencing 11 day

3192
02:10:07,270 --> 02:10:04,960
years

3193
02:10:10,790 --> 02:10:07,280
are we now aging

3194
02:10:13,109 --> 02:10:10,800
a year relative to earth it almost goes

3195
02:10:14,870 --> 02:10:13,119
back to relativity and special with

3196
02:10:17,669 --> 02:10:14,880
einstein and traveling at the speed of

3197
02:10:18,550 --> 02:10:17,679
light and how time changes and and space

3198
02:10:21,430 --> 02:10:18,560
time

3199
02:10:25,990 --> 02:10:21,440
where you and i go to proxima and we

3200
02:10:27,109 --> 02:10:26,000
hang out for a year but those are 11 day

3201
02:10:29,270 --> 02:10:27,119
years

3202
02:10:31,669 --> 02:10:29,280
do we come back

3203
02:10:33,350 --> 02:10:31,679
300 years older

3204
02:10:36,870 --> 02:10:33,360
no no not at all

3205
02:10:39,109 --> 02:10:36,880
to do that what you need to do is

3206
02:10:40,870 --> 02:10:39,119
embark on a spacecraft that moves close

3207
02:10:42,790 --> 02:10:40,880
to the speed of light in order for time

3208
02:10:44,550 --> 02:10:42,800
to be ticking differently

3209
02:10:47,109 --> 02:10:44,560
uh it's just that the planet moves

3210
02:10:49,510 --> 02:10:47,119
around the star on a shorter period

3211
02:10:51,750 --> 02:10:49,520
that's all but but time is not ticking

3212
02:10:54,069 --> 02:10:51,760
differently on that planet compared to

3213
02:10:56,149 --> 02:10:54,079
earth and in order for time to tick

3214
02:10:58,550 --> 02:10:56,159
differently you need to to approach the

3215
02:11:01,270 --> 02:10:58,560
speed of light which in principle you

3216
02:11:03,430 --> 02:11:01,280
can do because if you take um you know

3217
02:11:06,149 --> 02:11:03,440
we are situated here on the surface of

3218
02:11:08,709 --> 02:11:06,159
earth and that is called one g the

3219
02:11:10,310 --> 02:11:08,719
acceleration that the earth is keeping

3220
02:11:12,149 --> 02:11:10,320
us

3221
02:11:13,030 --> 02:11:12,159
with is one g

3222
02:11:13,910 --> 02:11:13,040
um

3223
02:11:16,149 --> 02:11:13,920
and

3224
02:11:19,270 --> 02:11:16,159
you know fight

3225
02:11:21,750 --> 02:11:19,280
fighter jets can approach maybe 10 g and

3226
02:11:24,870 --> 02:11:21,760
pilots survive that uh that's the

3227
02:11:27,910 --> 02:11:24,880
acceleration that their body feels

3228
02:11:31,350 --> 02:11:27,920
so if we were to go on a spaceship that

3229
02:11:32,950 --> 02:11:31,360
accelerates at one g it would feel just

3230
02:11:35,030 --> 02:11:32,960
like being on the surface of earth

3231
02:11:36,870 --> 02:11:35,040
because according to einstein you cannot

3232
02:11:39,669 --> 02:11:36,880
tell the difference between a spaceship

3233
02:11:41,990 --> 02:11:39,679
that is accelerated one g and gravity

3234
02:11:44,550 --> 02:11:42,000
it's the same thing if you are on the

3235
02:11:47,990 --> 02:11:44,560
surface you would feel exactly the same

3236
02:11:50,470 --> 02:11:48,000
force as gravity on the surface of earth

3237
02:11:53,430 --> 02:11:50,480
so if you embark on a spaceship that

3238
02:11:54,310 --> 02:11:53,440
accelerates at one g and you do it for a

3239
02:11:56,310 --> 02:11:54,320
year

3240
02:11:58,390 --> 02:11:56,320
you would reach the speed of light

3241
02:12:00,950 --> 02:11:58,400
actually it turns out and if you

3242
02:12:03,189 --> 02:12:00,960
continue to do that you will get closer

3243
02:12:05,109 --> 02:12:03,199
and closer to the speed of light

3244
02:12:08,310 --> 02:12:05,119
and if you do that for

3245
02:12:10,709 --> 02:12:08,320
decades you will eventually get so close

3246
02:12:13,990 --> 02:12:10,719
to the speed of light that you can cross

3247
02:12:15,990 --> 02:12:14,000
the entire universe which is 10 billion

3248
02:12:17,189 --> 02:12:16,000
light years

3249
02:12:19,589 --> 02:12:17,199
long

3250
02:12:22,149 --> 02:12:19,599
you can cross that during your lifetime

3251
02:12:24,390 --> 02:12:22,159
in several decades and the reason for

3252
02:12:26,390 --> 02:12:24,400
that is that time is ticking

3253
02:12:29,109 --> 02:12:26,400
much more slowly

3254
02:12:31,589 --> 02:12:29,119
in the spaceship as compared to the rest

3255
02:12:33,109 --> 02:12:31,599
of the universe so even though your

3256
02:12:34,550 --> 02:12:33,119
the actual

3257
02:12:36,709 --> 02:12:34,560
trip takes

3258
02:12:38,870 --> 02:12:36,719
you know 10 billion years

3259
02:12:40,470 --> 02:12:38,880
uh for you in the spaceship because you

3260
02:12:43,669 --> 02:12:40,480
are moving so close to the speed of

3261
02:12:45,750 --> 02:12:43,679
light it would just take several decades

3262
02:12:48,229 --> 02:12:45,760
and that's the beauty of einstein's

3263
02:12:50,229 --> 02:12:48,239
theory of special relativity but but if

3264
02:12:52,390 --> 02:12:50,239
you are just going to a planet that is

3265
02:12:54,950 --> 02:12:52,400
not moving very fast moving around

3266
02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:54,960
another star even though the year takes

3267
02:12:58,629 --> 02:12:56,800
a different amount of time has nothing

3268
02:13:01,830 --> 02:12:58,639
to do with the rate by which time is

3269
02:13:05,589 --> 02:13:01,840
ticking you will age the same way

3270
02:13:08,390 --> 02:13:05,599
there is a ufo turn around yeah it's

3271
02:13:12,310 --> 02:13:08,400
just on your window

3272
02:13:15,030 --> 02:13:12,320
no no no avi turn to your

3273
02:13:17,589 --> 02:13:15,040
left oh it just went off the side turn

3274
02:13:19,910 --> 02:13:17,599
around

3275
02:13:22,310 --> 02:13:19,920
turn no the other way the other way the

3276
02:13:25,430 --> 02:13:22,320
other way turn around right there one

3277
02:13:27,589 --> 02:13:25,440
foot above on the edge of the window

3278
02:13:29,109 --> 02:13:27,599
look at that look look look avi down

3279
02:13:32,550 --> 02:13:29,119
down down

3280
02:13:33,910 --> 02:13:32,560
down right there on the window blind

3281
02:13:35,669 --> 02:13:33,920
okay

3282
02:13:36,790 --> 02:13:35,679
look at that

3283
02:13:41,430 --> 02:13:36,800
it's crawling up

3284
02:13:43,669 --> 02:13:41,440
[Laughter]

3285
02:13:45,669 --> 02:13:43,679
that's crazy big see that's what the

3286
02:13:48,069 --> 02:13:45,679
galileo project

3287
02:13:49,910 --> 02:13:48,079
you would be able to find out what that

3288
02:13:52,310 --> 02:13:49,920
i've been watching it for the last five

3289
02:13:55,430 --> 02:13:52,320
minutes but it's just just the heater

3290
02:13:58,790 --> 02:13:55,440
that's no no no no turn around avi look

3291
02:14:00,069 --> 02:13:58,800
up there is a giant up

3292
02:14:03,990 --> 02:14:00,079
down

3293
02:14:06,390 --> 02:14:04,000
your eyes are

3294
02:14:10,229 --> 02:14:06,400
just look straight up now bring your

3295
02:14:12,790 --> 02:14:10,239
hand up to the edge of the window blind

3296
02:14:13,910 --> 02:14:12,800
now come down down i'll tell you when to

3297
02:14:15,350 --> 02:14:13,920
stop

3298
02:14:20,069 --> 02:14:15,360
keep going

3299
02:14:24,390 --> 02:14:22,629
i've been watching that it's gone across

3300
02:14:28,390 --> 02:14:24,400
and come back and

3301
02:14:32,069 --> 02:14:28,400
yeah yeah it's um an animal that flies

3302
02:14:35,189 --> 02:14:32,079
it's a big one too okay um uh but but

3303
02:14:35,990 --> 02:14:35,199
here here's the other thing

3304
02:14:36,870 --> 02:14:36,000
uh

3305
02:14:41,750 --> 02:14:36,880
that

3306
02:14:43,510 --> 02:14:41,760
uh are we and this goes back to like

3307
02:14:46,069 --> 02:14:43,520
seth a show stack

3308
02:14:49,109 --> 02:14:46,079
where we are trying to intercept and

3309
02:14:53,030 --> 02:14:49,119
trying to find signals out there

3310
02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:53,040
how do we decode how do we filter noise

3311
02:14:58,149 --> 02:14:55,840
from something else that may be some

3312
02:15:00,790 --> 02:14:58,159
communication

3313
02:15:02,950 --> 02:15:00,800
well that's a an interesting question

3314
02:15:05,270 --> 02:15:02,960
because

3315
02:15:07,750 --> 02:15:05,280
what we first need to do is

3316
02:15:09,830 --> 02:15:07,760
decide that it's not a natural signal

3317
02:15:12,709 --> 02:15:09,840
it's not a signal produced by a natural

3318
02:15:13,589 --> 02:15:12,719
object that exists in nature and as you

3319
02:15:14,020 --> 02:15:13,599
know

3320
02:15:15,589 --> 02:15:14,030
um

3321
02:15:16,629 --> 02:15:15,599
[Music]

3322
02:15:19,750 --> 02:15:16,639
about

3323
02:15:22,629 --> 02:15:19,760
60 years ago there was

3324
02:15:23,510 --> 02:15:22,639
a new type of objects discovered and

3325
02:15:28,470 --> 02:15:23,520
uh

3326
02:15:30,310 --> 02:15:28,480
were pulsating and at first people

3327
02:15:33,350 --> 02:15:30,320
thought maybe it's a

3328
02:15:34,830 --> 02:15:33,360
little green man that you get a radio a

3329
02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:34,840
radio blip

3330
02:15:41,830 --> 02:15:38,400
um periodically and then it ended up

3331
02:15:43,350 --> 02:15:41,840
being a spinning neutron star and

3332
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:43,360
uh with

3333
02:15:47,990 --> 02:15:45,599
it's sort of like a lighthouse that

3334
02:15:48,870 --> 02:15:48,000
emits radio waves in a beam and then it

3335
02:15:50,980 --> 02:15:48,880
comes

3336
02:15:52,229 --> 02:15:50,990
in our direction

3337
02:15:53,589 --> 02:15:52,239
[Music]

3338
02:15:55,430 --> 02:15:53,599
after a

3339
02:15:57,430 --> 02:15:55,440
spin period and

3340
02:16:00,069 --> 02:15:57,440
by now we know there are many such

3341
02:16:00,870 --> 02:16:00,079
pulses that are spinning neutron stars

3342
02:16:02,950 --> 02:16:00,880
so

3343
02:16:04,550 --> 02:16:02,960
um of course at first when you detect

3344
02:16:06,229 --> 02:16:04,560
something like that you don't know what

3345
02:16:08,709 --> 02:16:06,239
it is and

3346
02:16:11,030 --> 02:16:08,719
and then eventually you figure it out so

3347
02:16:12,790 --> 02:16:11,040
we need to make sure that whatever we

3348
02:16:14,709 --> 02:16:12,800
see that looks unusual

3349
02:16:17,510 --> 02:16:14,719
is not

3350
02:16:20,149 --> 02:16:17,520
a natural source and that's the first

3351
02:16:22,310 --> 02:16:20,159
task and then if it's indeed if it looks

3352
02:16:24,470 --> 02:16:22,320
like it carries information that is

3353
02:16:26,550 --> 02:16:24,480
unlikely to be

3354
02:16:28,629 --> 02:16:26,560
natural in origin then

3355
02:16:30,229 --> 02:16:28,639
of course we need to get as much data as

3356
02:16:32,389 --> 02:16:30,239
possible trying to

3357
02:16:34,709 --> 02:16:32,399
figure out what the information is and

3358
02:16:37,030 --> 02:16:34,719
you know that's just like breaking a

3359
02:16:39,750 --> 02:16:37,040
code you know and uh

3360
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:39,760
like uh alan turing tried to break the

3361
02:16:44,790 --> 02:16:42,639
enigma during the second world war and

3362
02:16:45,589 --> 02:16:44,800
it's the same challenge you

3363
02:16:47,349 --> 02:16:45,599
uh

3364
02:16:49,190 --> 02:16:47,359
you're seeing some signal that you don't

3365
02:16:50,629 --> 02:16:49,200
fully understand and

3366
02:16:53,110 --> 02:16:50,639
you know we could use for example

3367
02:16:55,509 --> 02:16:53,120
artificial intelligence or any code

3368
02:16:58,230 --> 02:16:55,519
breaking technique to try and figure out

3369
02:17:00,469 --> 02:16:58,240
the meaning of the signal and that of

3370
02:17:03,429 --> 02:17:00,479
course will be the second step and

3371
02:17:04,950 --> 02:17:03,439
um we have not found such a signal as of

3372
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:04,960
yet

3373
02:17:12,709 --> 02:17:06,080
the

3374
02:17:15,349 --> 02:17:12,719
something approaching our star system

3375
02:17:19,190 --> 02:17:15,359
at the speed of light or close to the

3376
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:19,200
speed of light etc craft of some kind

3377
02:17:24,549 --> 02:17:22,880
um how easy would that be

3378
02:17:27,750 --> 02:17:24,559
to detect

3379
02:17:30,070 --> 02:17:27,760
or we would would we not see it at all

3380
02:17:32,389 --> 02:17:30,080
well that's an excellent point and i

3381
02:17:35,270 --> 02:17:32,399
actually wrote a paper about that and

3382
02:17:37,830 --> 02:17:35,280
the point is that if astronomers look

3383
02:17:40,070 --> 02:17:37,840
at the sky and they see an object moving

3384
02:17:42,469 --> 02:17:40,080
close to the speed of light

3385
02:17:45,190 --> 02:17:42,479
they might dismiss it because the

3386
02:17:46,790 --> 02:17:45,200
objects that we usually see uh rocks in

3387
02:17:49,110 --> 02:17:46,800
the solar system

3388
02:17:51,429 --> 02:17:49,120
they move at a percent of a percent of

3389
02:17:54,070 --> 02:17:51,439
the speed of light

3390
02:17:55,589 --> 02:17:54,080
uh and that is you know 10 to the power

3391
02:17:57,830 --> 02:17:55,599
minus four of the speed of light that's

3392
02:17:59,349 --> 02:17:57,840
very slow and if you see something

3393
02:18:01,669 --> 02:17:59,359
moving close to the speed of light you

3394
02:18:03,429 --> 02:18:01,679
would simply ignore it because it

3395
02:18:06,230 --> 02:18:03,439
wouldn't seem like it's

3396
02:18:09,030 --> 02:18:06,240
anything similar to what we are used to

3397
02:18:11,349 --> 02:18:09,040
and moreover if it's small it would not

3398
02:18:14,150 --> 02:18:11,359
be even detected so

3399
02:18:16,870 --> 02:18:14,160
um that's a very interesting question we

3400
02:18:18,150 --> 02:18:16,880
we may have big holes in our fishing net

3401
02:18:20,469 --> 02:18:18,160
right now

3402
02:18:22,790 --> 02:18:20,479
now what did you make of

3403
02:18:25,349 --> 02:18:22,800
i meant to get to this earlier a couple

3404
02:18:26,950 --> 02:18:25,359
of months ago it was announced

3405
02:18:28,070 --> 02:18:26,960
that we have

3406
02:18:31,509 --> 02:18:28,080
uh

3407
02:18:33,830 --> 02:18:31,519
probably more rogue planets in the milky

3408
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:33,840
way than we do planets that are tied to

3409
02:18:37,509 --> 02:18:35,280
their stars

3410
02:18:40,870 --> 02:18:37,519
that's a pretty interesting announcement

3411
02:18:42,830 --> 02:18:40,880
but one of these objects

3412
02:18:45,349 --> 02:18:42,840
has been clocked at

3413
02:18:47,030 --> 02:18:45,359
extraordinary speeds

3414
02:18:49,509 --> 02:18:47,040
and

3415
02:18:50,629 --> 02:18:49,519
when i when i saw the announcement to

3416
02:18:53,030 --> 02:18:50,639
hear

3417
02:18:55,669 --> 02:18:53,040
a conclusion that this is a this is a

3418
02:18:58,070 --> 02:18:55,679
rogue planet uh that is

3419
02:18:59,990 --> 02:18:58,080
uh moving yes very very fast but it's

3420
02:19:01,669 --> 02:19:00,000
just a rogue planet how do we know that

3421
02:19:04,870 --> 02:19:01,679
it's a rogue planet

3422
02:19:06,389 --> 02:19:04,880
uh traveling at you know a million miles

3423
02:19:09,030 --> 02:19:06,399
per hour

3424
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:09,040
well i i should say it's not an unusual

3425
02:19:12,950 --> 02:19:10,880
speed relative to the speed by which

3426
02:19:15,429 --> 02:19:12,960
stars move around and

3427
02:19:17,910 --> 02:19:15,439
it this planet probably came from a

3428
02:19:20,389 --> 02:19:17,920
planetary system and you know even the

3429
02:19:22,950 --> 02:19:20,399
solar system is thought to have had the

3430
02:19:25,669 --> 02:19:22,960
planets that were kicked out of it

3431
02:19:27,750 --> 02:19:25,679
because their orbits were not stable so

3432
02:19:29,830 --> 02:19:27,760
the planets that we currently find in

3433
02:19:32,950 --> 02:19:29,840
the solar system are the ones that

3434
02:19:34,629 --> 02:19:32,960
remain stable for you know billions four

3435
02:19:37,190 --> 02:19:34,639
four and a half billion years since the

3436
02:19:39,990 --> 02:19:37,200
solar system was made

3437
02:19:43,349 --> 02:19:40,000
and the other planets that used to exist

3438
02:19:48,630 --> 02:19:45,750
kicked out of the system because of the

3439
02:19:51,990 --> 02:19:48,640
gravitational interactions that they had

3440
02:19:53,910 --> 02:19:52,000
and their orbits were not stable and

3441
02:19:55,510 --> 02:19:53,920
as a result you know all these planets

3442
02:19:56,790 --> 02:19:55,520
that left the solar system that were

3443
02:19:58,950 --> 02:19:56,800
born in it

3444
02:20:00,790 --> 02:19:58,960
you you can think of them as orphans um

3445
02:20:04,230 --> 02:20:00,800
they just you know were kicked out of

3446
02:20:06,309 --> 02:20:04,240
the family uh and they left and and

3447
02:20:08,550 --> 02:20:06,319
they're out in interstellar space so we

3448
02:20:10,230 --> 02:20:08,560
expect such things and they would move

3449
02:20:12,870 --> 02:20:10,240
at speeds that are

3450
02:20:16,710 --> 02:20:12,880
similar to the speeds of stars nearby

3451
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:16,720
and not unusual in that sense and

3452
02:20:21,270 --> 02:20:18,880
there is nothing really

3453
02:20:22,790 --> 02:20:21,280
unexpected about finding planets that

3454
02:20:24,230 --> 02:20:22,800
are wrong

3455
02:20:26,230 --> 02:20:24,240
in fact

3456
02:20:27,590 --> 02:20:26,240
near the black hole at the center of the

3457
02:20:30,469 --> 02:20:27,600
milky way

3458
02:20:32,469 --> 02:20:30,479
stars that had planets could lose them

3459
02:20:34,790 --> 02:20:32,479
uh by the tidal force of the black hole

3460
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:34,800
they can so you can imagine getting

3461
02:20:39,670 --> 02:20:37,120
planets that move really fast up to the

3462
02:20:41,429 --> 02:20:39,680
speed of light uh that are kicked from

3463
02:20:42,790 --> 02:20:41,439
the inner region of the galaxy by the

3464
02:20:44,469 --> 02:20:42,800
black hole there

3465
02:20:47,510 --> 02:20:44,479
sort of like a pinball machine that

3466
02:20:48,550 --> 02:20:47,520
kicks out objects at high speed

3467
02:20:50,469 --> 02:20:48,560
and

3468
02:20:52,950 --> 02:20:50,479
you know again these are things we

3469
02:20:55,590 --> 02:20:52,960
expect and i wouldn't be terribly

3470
02:20:57,510 --> 02:20:55,600
surprised but of course if you were to

3471
02:20:58,469 --> 02:20:57,520
live on such a planet that gets kicked

3472
02:21:01,510 --> 02:20:58,479
out

3473
02:21:04,230 --> 02:21:01,520
um it's a fantastic journey because you

3474
02:21:06,550 --> 02:21:04,240
can cross the entire milky way galaxy

3475
02:21:10,070 --> 02:21:06,560
uh from the inner part to the outer part

3476
02:21:13,030 --> 02:21:10,080
and and see the the view

3477
02:21:16,230 --> 02:21:13,040
all the way how long if if earth got

3478
02:21:18,309 --> 02:21:16,240
kicked out right we have a molten iron

3479
02:21:20,150 --> 02:21:18,319
metallic core right that keeps the

3480
02:21:21,990 --> 02:21:20,160
planet warm

3481
02:21:23,830 --> 02:21:22,000
if we were kicked out of our solar

3482
02:21:25,750 --> 02:21:23,840
system

3483
02:21:28,710 --> 02:21:25,760
obviously the surface temperatures are

3484
02:21:32,309 --> 02:21:28,720
going to drop but would life still be

3485
02:21:35,590 --> 02:21:32,319
able to exist on earth through that

3486
02:21:36,389 --> 02:21:35,600
milky way road trip

3487
02:21:40,710 --> 02:21:36,399
um

3488
02:21:42,790 --> 02:21:40,720
no not it's not really on the surface

3489
02:21:45,590 --> 02:21:42,800
the surface would freeze

3490
02:21:48,469 --> 02:21:45,600
but under the frozen surface you could

3491
02:21:50,710 --> 02:21:48,479
have life in the deep interior because

3492
02:21:52,469 --> 02:21:50,720
you could have an ice layer and i

3493
02:21:55,349 --> 02:21:52,479
actually wrote a scientific paper about

3494
02:21:56,790 --> 02:21:55,359
it you could have a layer of ice on the

3495
02:21:58,389 --> 02:21:56,800
outside but

3496
02:22:02,550 --> 02:21:58,399
molten

3497
02:22:03,990 --> 02:22:02,560
ice in the inside the liquid water

3498
02:22:06,469 --> 02:22:04,000
deeper down

3499
02:22:07,429 --> 02:22:06,479
where life may persist

3500
02:22:10,309 --> 02:22:07,439
and

3501
02:22:12,150 --> 02:22:10,319
this is subsurface life

3502
02:22:14,070 --> 02:22:12,160
and the might it might be the most

3503
02:22:16,309 --> 02:22:14,080
common thing that you find because there

3504
02:22:19,510 --> 02:22:16,319
are lots of objects that are not close

3505
02:22:22,150 --> 02:22:19,520
enough to a star to be warmed up by the

3506
02:22:23,590 --> 02:22:22,160
star and they may have a crust that is

3507
02:22:25,750 --> 02:22:23,600
made of eyes

3508
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:25,760
but under it under the eyes there might

3509
02:22:27,750 --> 02:22:26,560
be

3510
02:22:29,030 --> 02:22:27,760
life and

3511
02:22:31,429 --> 02:22:29,040
um

3512
02:22:33,910 --> 02:22:31,439
it's quite possible that that's the most

3513
02:22:36,630 --> 02:22:33,920
common form of life to find out whether

3514
02:22:38,469 --> 02:22:36,640
it exists is a challenge so for example

3515
02:22:40,070 --> 02:22:38,479
in the solar system we have

3516
02:22:42,950 --> 02:22:40,080
two icy

3517
02:22:44,469 --> 02:22:42,960
surfaces that might have an ocean under

3518
02:22:46,070 --> 02:22:44,479
them for example

3519
02:22:48,230 --> 02:22:46,080
europa

3520
02:22:49,190 --> 02:22:48,240
is one of those

3521
02:22:51,910 --> 02:22:49,200
moons

3522
02:22:54,630 --> 02:22:51,920
and enceladus is another one and both of

3523
02:22:56,950 --> 02:22:54,640
them have geysers they have cracks in

3524
02:23:00,870 --> 02:22:56,960
the eyes on the surface

3525
02:23:03,429 --> 02:23:00,880
out of which a steam of water comes out

3526
02:23:04,790 --> 02:23:03,439
and then it indicates that there may

3527
02:23:06,870 --> 02:23:04,800
very well be

3528
02:23:09,190 --> 02:23:06,880
an ocean under the

3529
02:23:11,670 --> 02:23:09,200
ice and we just don't know if there is

3530
02:23:13,910 --> 02:23:11,680
any fish there if there is any life

3531
02:23:16,070 --> 02:23:13,920
in the ocean under the ice and that

3532
02:23:19,830 --> 02:23:16,080
would be a good place to to search for

3533
02:23:21,510 --> 02:23:19,840
it now is it possible this will be uh uh

3534
02:23:23,110 --> 02:23:21,520
one of our closing questions here and i

3535
02:23:24,389 --> 02:23:23,120
want to thank you for another great

3536
02:23:25,910 --> 02:23:24,399
conversation

3537
02:23:27,830 --> 02:23:25,920
is is this

3538
02:23:31,030 --> 02:23:27,840
is it possible

3539
02:23:32,630 --> 02:23:31,040
to advance as a civilization

3540
02:23:33,910 --> 02:23:32,640
in water

3541
02:23:36,230 --> 02:23:33,920
because

3542
02:23:38,070 --> 02:23:36,240
i mean no fire

3543
02:23:40,790 --> 02:23:38,080
how do you build a factory i i don't

3544
02:23:43,830 --> 02:23:40,800
know i i may be reaching here but

3545
02:23:46,550 --> 02:23:43,840
is is it possible to develop

3546
02:23:49,030 --> 02:23:46,560
uh as an extraterrestrial intelligent

3547
02:23:50,230 --> 02:23:49,040
civilization in water

3548
02:23:51,750 --> 02:23:50,240
well it's

3549
02:23:53,510 --> 02:23:51,760
unlikely that

3550
02:23:55,670 --> 02:23:53,520
you can

3551
02:23:58,830 --> 02:23:55,680
develop technologies the way we have

3552
02:24:02,630 --> 02:23:58,840
them underwater because

3553
02:24:04,630 --> 02:24:02,640
um it's thought that complex life arose

3554
02:24:07,590 --> 02:24:04,640
as there is on the interface between

3555
02:24:09,670 --> 02:24:07,600
rock and liquid water and

3556
02:24:10,870 --> 02:24:09,680
that was essential to develop complex

3557
02:24:12,870 --> 02:24:10,880
life and

3558
02:24:15,030 --> 02:24:12,880
there might not be enough

3559
02:24:17,590 --> 02:24:15,040
concentration of nutrients

3560
02:24:19,830 --> 02:24:17,600
in the ocean to allow very complex forms

3561
02:24:22,710 --> 02:24:19,840
of life to form on their own

3562
02:24:23,750 --> 02:24:22,720
uh the other thing to keep in mind is if

3563
02:24:25,670 --> 02:24:23,760
you

3564
02:24:28,469 --> 02:24:25,680
make intelligence

3565
02:24:29,670 --> 02:24:28,479
underwater and there is an ice layer

3566
02:24:31,830 --> 02:24:29,680
above you

3567
02:24:33,349 --> 02:24:31,840
you would never see the stars you would

3568
02:24:35,510 --> 02:24:33,359
never know

3569
02:24:37,590 --> 02:24:35,520
what is out there so as far as you're

3570
02:24:39,349 --> 02:24:37,600
concerned the entire universe is the

3571
02:24:41,030 --> 02:24:39,359
ocean that you live in

3572
02:24:43,750 --> 02:24:41,040
because there is nothing that you can

3573
02:24:45,349 --> 02:24:43,760
see beyond you know beyond the ocean

3574
02:24:47,270 --> 02:24:45,359
that you live in and

3575
02:24:49,270 --> 02:24:47,280
if if there is intelligence there it

3576
02:24:51,670 --> 02:24:49,280
will be i mean the creatures would be

3577
02:24:54,710 --> 02:24:51,680
quite narrow-minded they might think

3578
02:24:56,710 --> 02:24:54,720
that's our universe it's a water

3579
02:24:58,870 --> 02:24:56,720
made universe

3580
02:25:01,190 --> 02:24:58,880
and that's pretty much what there is

3581
02:25:03,990 --> 02:25:01,200
only if one of them would go through

3582
02:25:06,389 --> 02:25:04,000
a geyser out of the cracks

3583
02:25:08,630 --> 02:25:06,399
uh into the open

3584
02:25:10,790 --> 02:25:08,640
environment above the eyes they would

3585
02:25:13,190 --> 02:25:10,800
realize that there are stars far away

3586
02:25:16,230 --> 02:25:13,200
now wouldn't you consider

3587
02:25:19,270 --> 02:25:16,240
like an octopus or a dolphin

3588
02:25:21,030 --> 02:25:19,280
that's sentient right that's intelligent

3589
02:25:23,110 --> 02:25:21,040
is it possible for something like that

3590
02:25:24,469 --> 02:25:23,120
to be on europa

3591
02:25:26,710 --> 02:25:24,479
well so

3592
02:25:28,790 --> 02:25:26,720
it's believed that complex life on earth

3593
02:25:31,830 --> 02:25:28,800
arose because you know there were

3594
02:25:33,110 --> 02:25:31,840
puddles uh on rock that concentrated the

3595
02:25:35,429 --> 02:25:33,120
chemicals

3596
02:25:39,110 --> 02:25:35,439
uh so you really need the interface

3597
02:25:41,190 --> 02:25:39,120
between rock and liquid water to allow

3598
02:25:43,830 --> 02:25:41,200
for concentration of nutrients and

3599
02:25:46,150 --> 02:25:43,840
chemicals and make complex life that's

3600
02:25:48,710 --> 02:25:46,160
that's a very popular view

3601
02:25:50,950 --> 02:25:48,720
um and if you don't have that

3602
02:25:54,150 --> 02:25:50,960
rock that is bare rock

3603
02:25:56,230 --> 02:25:54,160
in contact with water perhaps complex

3604
02:25:57,190 --> 02:25:56,240
life does not evolve so

3605
02:25:59,910 --> 02:25:57,200
you know

3606
02:26:02,469 --> 02:25:59,920
we don't know that for sure uh of course

3607
02:26:04,870 --> 02:26:02,479
uh one way to find out is to search

3608
02:26:07,429 --> 02:26:04,880
whether there is complex life under the

3609
02:26:10,630 --> 02:26:07,439
ice in europa or enceladus i want to

3610
02:26:11,830 --> 02:26:10,640
thank you avi not only uh for tonight

3611
02:26:14,230 --> 02:26:11,840
again

3612
02:26:16,550 --> 02:26:14,240
for this great conversation but for your

3613
02:26:19,670 --> 02:26:16,560
contributions uh to the people of this

3614
02:26:22,710 --> 02:26:19,680
planet it's extraordinary the journey

3615
02:26:24,790 --> 02:26:22,720
that you have taken so i do

3616
02:26:26,550 --> 02:26:24,800
want to thank you but you are

3617
02:26:27,910 --> 02:26:26,560
going to make that announcement it's

3618
02:26:29,510 --> 02:26:27,920
going to happen

3619
02:26:31,429 --> 02:26:29,520
and you're going to buy me that steak

3620
02:26:33,349 --> 02:26:31,439
dinner i'm just telling you right now i

3621
02:26:36,389 --> 02:26:33,359
will call you out on it how can

3622
02:26:38,230 --> 02:26:36,399
everybody go and get involved with the

3623
02:26:40,230 --> 02:26:38,240
galileo project

3624
02:26:42,950 --> 02:26:40,240
just go to the website of the galileo

3625
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project at harvard university and

3626
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if you are interested in contributing

3627
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there is a link there of how to

3628
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contribute either using your expertise

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or financially as well and

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we very much welcome engagement by

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anyone another great conversation thank

3632
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you so much avi and enjoy the rest of

3633
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the holiday season

3634
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believe it or not we made it through

3635
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we've got 20 22 to look forward to and

3636
02:27:13,670 --> 02:27:12,800
all of your hard work thank you so much

3637
02:27:15,670 --> 02:27:13,680
avi

3638
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thanks for hosting me you're the best

3639
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avi loeb i'm going to take a quick break

3640
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this is fade to black i'm yours jimmy

3641
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church

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we'll be right back

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you're listening to jimmy church and

3644
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fade to black

3645
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hey what up y'all biblical fox here and

3646
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you are listening to my boy jimmy church

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despite popular opinion

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but listening to jimmy church will

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[Applause]

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this is jimmy church and i personally

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expo this february 4th through the 7th

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live at the lax hilton in los angeles

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3739
02:32:52,950 --> 02:32:50,550
all right welcome back fade to black i

3740
02:32:55,670 --> 02:32:52,960
am your host jimmy church

3741
02:32:59,190 --> 02:32:55,680
i want to thank avi loeb it was just a

3742
02:33:03,590 --> 02:32:59,200
great conversation that was recorded

3743
02:33:06,469 --> 02:33:03,600
right before the show tonight and uh

3744
02:33:07,429 --> 02:33:06,479
the whole thing with avi every time he's

3745
02:33:09,270 --> 02:33:07,439
on

3746
02:33:11,910 --> 02:33:09,280
he he teaches

3747
02:33:15,670 --> 02:33:11,920
and he's up early and he's on the east

3748
02:33:18,550 --> 02:33:15,680
coast and there's just no way for him to

3749
02:33:20,630 --> 02:33:18,560
uh do a live show and uh we talked about

3750
02:33:23,270 --> 02:33:20,640
that today off the air

3751
02:33:25,510 --> 02:33:23,280
that one day

3752
02:33:27,750 --> 02:33:25,520
one day he's going to be on live with us

3753
02:33:29,429 --> 02:33:27,760
and uh and i said it's going to be a

3754
02:33:31,910 --> 02:33:29,439
totally different vibe

3755
02:33:33,990 --> 02:33:31,920
i told him today i said that

3756
02:33:37,349 --> 02:33:34,000
when i record

3757
02:33:40,630 --> 02:33:37,359
to my ears it sounds like

3758
02:33:42,550 --> 02:33:40,640
all things considered on npr

3759
02:33:44,870 --> 02:33:42,560
i've got a different vibe and i'm not

3760
02:33:46,230 --> 02:33:44,880
you know there's an adrenaline rush that

3761
02:33:48,710 --> 02:33:46,240
you have

3762
02:33:50,309 --> 02:33:48,720
and and things are uh at a different

3763
02:33:51,670 --> 02:33:50,319
level when you're live and he's i

3764
02:33:54,710 --> 02:33:51,680
totally get it

3765
02:33:58,150 --> 02:33:54,720
and uh he said jimmy just act like

3766
02:34:00,710 --> 02:33:58,160
you're live i said i try avi i try

3767
02:34:03,670 --> 02:34:00,720
he said uh when when i'm on the west

3768
02:34:06,469 --> 02:34:03,680
coast i am doing a live show with you

3769
02:34:09,830 --> 02:34:06,479
and i said okay cool he is just great

3770
02:34:11,190 --> 02:34:09,840
and and and i know that uh we talked

3771
02:34:12,150 --> 02:34:11,200
about this today

3772
02:34:14,469 --> 02:34:12,160
um

3773
02:34:16,870 --> 02:34:14,479
with with fade to black it it's

3774
02:34:19,590 --> 02:34:16,880
different from for him

3775
02:34:21,670 --> 02:34:19,600
than on other shows he said it's just a

3776
02:34:25,110 --> 02:34:21,680
totally different conversation

3777
02:34:26,550 --> 02:34:25,120
and and he really enjoys it and and so

3778
02:34:27,510 --> 02:34:26,560
and that goes right out to the fate or

3779
02:34:30,230 --> 02:34:27,520
not

3780
02:34:33,910 --> 02:34:30,240
so he really appreciates the show that

3781
02:34:34,790 --> 02:34:33,920
was a great conversation uh today now

3782
02:34:37,670 --> 02:34:34,800
uh

3783
02:34:39,030 --> 02:34:37,680
what where was i go oh so

3784
02:34:42,230 --> 02:34:39,040
for me

3785
02:34:45,110 --> 02:34:42,240
hanging out in the chat tonight uh was a

3786
02:34:46,150 --> 02:34:45,120
whole lot of fun and

3787
02:34:48,790 --> 02:34:46,160
uh

3788
02:34:52,150 --> 02:34:48,800
i i wish there was a way to do that more

3789
02:34:54,070 --> 02:34:52,160
often it's impossible i do a live show

3790
02:34:56,309 --> 02:34:54,080
i'm focusing on the guests i'm doing a

3791
02:34:58,150 --> 02:34:56,319
live show there's other things to do

3792
02:35:00,070 --> 02:34:58,160
but a couple of times a year when we

3793
02:35:02,630 --> 02:35:00,080
have bobby on

3794
02:35:04,550 --> 02:35:02,640
i'm able to jump into the chat and so

3795
02:35:05,270 --> 02:35:04,560
for those of you listening right now

3796
02:35:10,550 --> 02:35:05,280
that

3797
02:35:11,429 --> 02:35:10,560
with us tonight

3798
02:35:13,510 --> 02:35:11,439
uh

3799
02:35:16,870 --> 02:35:13,520
talked to ufos

3800
02:35:18,630 --> 02:35:16,880
we talked motorcycles and we talked

3801
02:35:20,790 --> 02:35:18,640
guitars and food

3802
02:35:23,670 --> 02:35:20,800
all night long in the chat while

3803
02:35:24,870 --> 02:35:23,680
listening to avi it was so much fun you

3804
02:35:27,910 --> 02:35:24,880
guys are

3805
02:35:30,870 --> 02:35:27,920
amazing over there in the chat so anyway

3806
02:35:34,550 --> 02:35:30,880
big big shout out to avilo that was a an

3807
02:35:38,230 --> 02:35:34,560
amazing conversation today and we had um

3808
02:35:41,110 --> 02:35:38,240
uh there's there's something else here

3809
02:35:43,830 --> 02:35:41,120
i want everybody to know that this

3810
02:35:46,150 --> 02:35:43,840
what you heard tonight

3811
02:35:47,270 --> 02:35:46,160
was the entire conversation there's no

3812
02:35:50,309 --> 02:35:47,280
edits

3813
02:35:51,750 --> 02:35:50,319
and we just uh took the breaks at the

3814
02:35:54,790 --> 02:35:51,760
proper time

3815
02:35:56,630 --> 02:35:54,800
came in and out and there was nothing

3816
02:35:57,429 --> 02:35:56,640
left on the cutting room floor that was

3817
02:36:04,070 --> 02:35:57,439
it

3818
02:36:06,950 --> 02:36:04,080
uh today but that was really interesting

3819
02:36:10,070 --> 02:36:06,960
uh for me to go back and listen

3820
02:36:12,710 --> 02:36:10,080
uh to the conversation because

3821
02:36:14,630 --> 02:36:12,720
i i pushed avi into a couple of

3822
02:36:16,710 --> 02:36:14,640
directions that he doesn't normally

3823
02:36:18,309 --> 02:36:16,720
discuss in fact i did that throughout

3824
02:36:20,630 --> 02:36:18,319
the show tonight

3825
02:36:22,469 --> 02:36:20,640
and it was really interesting to hear

3826
02:36:25,429 --> 02:36:22,479
his answers

3827
02:36:28,389 --> 02:36:25,439
avi completely

3828
02:36:31,590 --> 02:36:28,399
is engaged not only with the with the

3829
02:36:34,630 --> 02:36:31,600
ufo community but the politics that are

3830
02:36:37,429 --> 02:36:34,640
going on he is fully aware of what the

3831
02:36:40,630 --> 02:36:37,439
senate is dealing with and congress

3832
02:36:42,230 --> 02:36:40,640
um the efforts of louis lozando and and

3833
02:36:43,830 --> 02:36:42,240
chris mellon

3834
02:36:45,830 --> 02:36:43,840
and of course

3835
02:36:47,590 --> 02:36:45,840
uh the department of defense and the

3836
02:36:49,750 --> 02:36:47,600
odni

3837
02:36:52,389 --> 02:36:49,760
very interesting to hear those comments

3838
02:36:53,590 --> 02:36:52,399
uh tonight uh from avi so i hope you

3839
02:36:56,790 --> 02:36:53,600
enjoyed

3840
02:36:58,710 --> 02:36:56,800
uh the conversation because i really did

3841
02:37:00,710 --> 02:36:58,720
with that i've opened up the phone lines

3842
02:37:02,550 --> 02:37:00,720
i only have enough time for uh

3843
02:37:04,070 --> 02:37:02,560
two or three calls here before the end

3844
02:37:05,990 --> 02:37:04,080
of the show i would announce that the

3845
02:37:07,030 --> 02:37:06,000
phone lines are open but i've got calls

3846
02:37:10,550 --> 02:37:07,040
already

3847
02:37:12,150 --> 02:37:10,560
lined up on hold let's see who is up

3848
02:37:14,550 --> 02:37:12,160
first hi you're live on fade to black

3849
02:37:18,870 --> 02:37:14,560
who's calling

3850
02:37:21,030 --> 02:37:18,880
hey jimmy it's fran hey fran how are you

3851
02:37:22,710 --> 02:37:21,040
i'm good how are you

3852
02:37:25,110 --> 02:37:22,720
now that i'm talking to you

3853
02:37:27,670 --> 02:37:25,120
i'm in a really great mood what is

3854
02:37:31,670 --> 02:37:27,680
cracking young lady

3855
02:37:33,429 --> 02:37:31,680
hey um i really enjoyed the show tonight

3856
02:37:36,309 --> 02:37:33,439
that was awesome

3857
02:37:38,870 --> 02:37:36,319
i missed the beginning but i caught most

3858
02:37:39,750 --> 02:37:38,880
of the middle and end

3859
02:37:40,950 --> 02:37:39,760
and

3860
02:37:42,950 --> 02:37:40,960
that was

3861
02:37:46,150 --> 02:37:42,960
phenomenal

3862
02:37:49,429 --> 02:37:46,160
he's he's really he's

3863
02:37:53,110 --> 02:37:49,439
yeah and and so did i friend and

3864
02:37:56,230 --> 02:37:53,120
i think that everybody can tell that uh

3865
02:37:58,070 --> 02:37:56,240
he enjoys the opportunity

3866
02:38:00,630 --> 02:37:58,080
uh to just sit down and have an open

3867
02:38:02,230 --> 02:38:00,640
conversation he he really does he knows

3868
02:38:05,110 --> 02:38:02,240
that there's exactly there's nothing

3869
02:38:06,790 --> 02:38:05,120
prepared uh there's another element to

3870
02:38:08,469 --> 02:38:06,800
this um

3871
02:38:11,110 --> 02:38:08,479
you know avi and i

3872
02:38:14,309 --> 02:38:11,120
can see each other on the video

3873
02:38:17,110 --> 02:38:14,319
and and he

3874
02:38:18,870 --> 02:38:17,120
was laughing he's got such a great laugh

3875
02:38:22,550 --> 02:38:18,880
and a great smile

3876
02:38:23,910 --> 02:38:22,560
and you guys don't get to see that but

3877
02:38:36,389 --> 02:38:23,920
he

3878
02:38:38,150 --> 02:38:36,399
alien

3879
02:38:40,230 --> 02:38:38,160
that was uh

3880
02:38:42,950 --> 02:38:40,240
that was that was just awesome okay so

3881
02:38:46,070 --> 02:38:42,960
uh you had something else what's up

3882
02:38:47,750 --> 02:38:46,080
oh no i i was basically just calling in

3883
02:38:51,030 --> 02:38:47,760
to say hey

3884
02:38:53,270 --> 02:38:51,040
you know how you doing and oh i saw the

3885
02:38:55,270 --> 02:38:53,280
pictures of your new house and it's

3886
02:38:58,020 --> 02:38:55,280
gorgeous and

3887
02:39:00,469 --> 02:38:58,030
you you need a decorator

3888
02:39:02,950 --> 02:39:00,479
[Laughter]

3889
02:39:05,590 --> 02:39:02,960
you know uh

3890
02:39:08,550 --> 02:39:05,600
it was looking really sparse and it's

3891
02:39:11,990 --> 02:39:08,560
probably gonna stay that way i kind of

3892
02:39:13,910 --> 02:39:12,000
like that okay yeah i kind of like that

3893
02:39:16,870 --> 02:39:13,920
i do i would too

3894
02:39:19,590 --> 02:39:16,880
yeah i kind of like that i i i know it

3895
02:39:21,030 --> 02:39:19,600
it sounds a little strange

3896
02:39:22,950 --> 02:39:21,040
it does

3897
02:39:26,230 --> 02:39:22,960
but i like

3898
02:39:28,230 --> 02:39:26,240
yeah i like i i like that it's a feeling

3899
02:39:30,230 --> 02:39:28,240
more than it is a look

3900
02:39:33,349 --> 02:39:30,240
you know i like the feeling i like the

3901
02:39:34,070 --> 02:39:33,359
feeling of that so it's all open and

3902
02:39:36,630 --> 02:39:34,080
yeah

3903
02:39:39,110 --> 02:39:36,640
yep yep yep yep yep yep i can do

3904
02:39:41,590 --> 02:39:39,120
whatever i want in here

3905
02:39:44,309 --> 02:39:41,600
and nothing at all if i don't want to

3906
02:39:46,389 --> 02:39:44,319
yeah that's exactly that's exactly it

3907
02:39:47,910 --> 02:39:46,399
and uh but it's cool thank you for that

3908
02:39:48,870 --> 02:39:47,920
though thank you

3909
02:39:51,349 --> 02:39:48,880
yeah

3910
02:39:54,230 --> 02:39:51,359
all right now i i just wanted to say

3911
02:39:57,110 --> 02:39:54,240
happy holidays for

3912
02:39:59,510 --> 02:39:57,120
merry christmas or whatever

3913
02:40:01,110 --> 02:39:59,520
you know people have all this political

3914
02:40:03,590 --> 02:40:01,120
agenda about

3915
02:40:05,510 --> 02:40:03,600
holidays and i don't

3916
02:40:06,550 --> 02:40:05,520
i don't really care

3917
02:40:10,389 --> 02:40:06,560
so

3918
02:40:12,070 --> 02:40:10,399
whatever the appropriate term is

3919
02:40:14,550 --> 02:40:12,080
for

3920
02:40:18,070 --> 02:40:14,560
have a great winter

3921
02:40:19,750 --> 02:40:18,080
yeah i know and and today uh

3922
02:40:21,750 --> 02:40:19,760
really strange the leaves started

3923
02:40:23,990 --> 02:40:21,760
turning here uh

3924
02:40:25,910 --> 02:40:24,000
last week or the week before

3925
02:40:29,030 --> 02:40:25,920
and and i was kind of noticing it but

3926
02:40:32,150 --> 02:40:29,040
over the last like 24 hours it's like

3927
02:40:36,950 --> 02:40:32,160
strange everything turned

3928
02:40:38,389 --> 02:40:36,960
and uh my yard is covered in leaves

3929
02:40:41,030 --> 02:40:38,399
and it was

3930
02:40:44,150 --> 02:40:41,040
yeah it was just a really i mean it was

3931
02:40:46,309 --> 02:40:44,160
raining leaves today i mean everywhere

3932
02:40:48,870 --> 02:40:46,319
just just constantly

3933
02:40:52,070 --> 02:40:48,880
and uh and it just gives you that

3934
02:40:53,910 --> 02:40:52,080
feeling right that that fall the fall

3935
02:40:55,670 --> 02:40:53,920
and winter and

3936
02:40:57,349 --> 02:40:55,680
i know i'm in southern california and

3937
02:40:59,510 --> 02:40:57,359
i'm in the desert but we do have a

3938
02:41:02,550 --> 02:40:59,520
little bit of seasons and

3939
02:41:05,349 --> 02:41:02,560
and it will snow i can't wait to post

3940
02:41:08,550 --> 02:41:05,359
pictures of of snow here in the desert

3941
02:41:09,670 --> 02:41:08,560
it gets really cold

3942
02:41:12,550 --> 02:41:09,680
i know

3943
02:41:15,750 --> 02:41:12,560
uh i feel the same way about here in

3944
02:41:18,950 --> 02:41:15,760
arizona when we get snow it's like

3945
02:41:20,790 --> 02:41:18,960
what yeah yep yep where'd that come from

3946
02:41:22,070 --> 02:41:20,800
yep it's going to snow i was talking to

3947
02:41:24,790 --> 02:41:22,080
my neighbors and they were saying no it

3948
02:41:26,790 --> 02:41:24,800
snows every year here i was like okay i

3949
02:41:29,110 --> 02:41:26,800
can't wait for that you know i don't

3950
02:41:31,510 --> 02:41:29,120
know you know i'm not talking about i'm

3951
02:41:32,710 --> 02:41:31,520
not going to be outside making a snowman

3952
02:41:35,030 --> 02:41:32,720
maybe

3953
02:41:36,790 --> 02:41:35,040
you know i don't but but uh but it's

3954
02:41:38,389 --> 02:41:36,800
going to be a pretty cool feeling and

3955
02:41:40,469 --> 02:41:38,399
and when it does happen

3956
02:41:41,269 --> 02:41:40,479
uh i'll post pictures before it melts

3957
02:41:42,870 --> 02:41:41,279
off

3958
02:41:44,790 --> 02:41:42,880
thank you so much friend i don't know

3959
02:41:47,670 --> 02:41:44,800
what i'm gonna see you again but i

3960
02:41:49,429 --> 02:41:47,680
really look forward uh to the next time

3961
02:41:51,670 --> 02:41:49,439
uh when we can sit down and break out

3962
02:41:53,830 --> 02:41:51,680
the shot glasses

3963
02:41:56,070 --> 02:41:53,840
you betcha

3964
02:41:58,630 --> 02:41:56,080
thank you so much friends soon again

3965
02:42:00,550 --> 02:41:58,640
behave and be well

3966
02:42:01,670 --> 02:42:00,560
i can't promise

3967
02:42:04,469 --> 02:42:01,680
behaving

3968
02:42:07,349 --> 02:42:04,479
friend it's time to fade to black friend

3969
02:42:10,550 --> 02:42:07,359
enjoy the rest of your night you betcha

3970
02:42:11,510 --> 02:42:10,560
okay you too right on right on

3971
02:42:13,510 --> 02:42:11,520
fran

3972
02:42:15,030 --> 02:42:13,520
that's og

3973
02:42:24,469 --> 02:42:15,040
right there

3974
02:42:26,389 --> 02:42:24,479
and uh let's see who is up next

3975
02:42:27,990 --> 02:42:26,399
let's go here

3976
02:42:32,070 --> 02:42:28,000
hi you're live on fade to black who's

3977
02:42:32,080 --> 02:42:35,110
you're live

3978
02:42:42,630 --> 02:42:38,550
three two did i not uh

3979
02:42:46,710 --> 02:42:44,389
you're live

3980
02:42:49,590 --> 02:42:46,720
oh hi jimmy hi

3981
02:42:51,830 --> 02:42:49,600
it's deb you know what from sacramento

3982
02:42:53,429 --> 02:42:51,840
how are you dear i'm doing good how are

3983
02:42:56,469 --> 02:42:53,439
you

3984
02:42:58,309 --> 02:42:56,479
bucketing rain outside here but

3985
02:43:00,150 --> 02:42:58,319
sometimes we get a like dusting of snow

3986
02:43:01,269 --> 02:43:00,160
too even in sacramento and when it

3987
02:43:02,950 --> 02:43:01,279
happens

3988
02:43:04,150 --> 02:43:02,960
i mean this year i'm going to videotape

3989
02:43:06,550 --> 02:43:04,160
it

3990
02:43:08,550 --> 02:43:06,560
but this weekend i was out videotaping i

3991
02:43:11,190 --> 02:43:08,560
posted some pics early in the show in

3992
02:43:13,110 --> 02:43:11,200
the sandbox of stills but i have videos

3993
02:43:15,349 --> 02:43:13,120
of some houses that i got that are all

3994
02:43:17,190 --> 02:43:15,359
decked out and lights i mean there's one

3995
02:43:19,349 --> 02:43:17,200
really good one i had to tape in like

3996
02:43:22,150 --> 02:43:19,359
four different sections and i posted

3997
02:43:24,070 --> 02:43:22,160
them all the videos so fader knots those

3998
02:43:25,429 --> 02:43:24,080
who follow me and if you don't if you

3999
02:43:26,950 --> 02:43:25,439
follow my thread you guys can catch

4000
02:43:28,630 --> 02:43:26,960
those videos but they're really cool

4001
02:43:31,030 --> 02:43:28,640
we've got a lot of great lights going up

4002
02:43:33,590 --> 02:43:31,040
already yeah right on

4003
02:43:35,670 --> 02:43:33,600
and speaking of lights jimmy did you

4004
02:43:37,990 --> 02:43:35,680
start putting up your lights no you said

4005
02:43:40,389 --> 02:43:38,000
you're going to no it was it's it

4006
02:43:42,550 --> 02:43:40,399
sounded like a good plan

4007
02:43:45,349 --> 02:43:42,560
but i've just i'm running out of time

4008
02:43:47,670 --> 02:43:45,359
i'm going to be out of town this weekend

4009
02:43:50,630 --> 02:43:47,680
i've got plans next weekend and the

4010
02:43:52,790 --> 02:43:50,640
weekend after that is christmas

4011
02:43:55,510 --> 02:43:52,800
and i just i've i've just run out of

4012
02:43:58,950 --> 02:43:55,520
time i've i've i've run i i don't know

4013
02:44:01,110 --> 02:43:58,960
when i can possibly pull it off

4014
02:44:02,870 --> 02:44:01,120
but you know what you can do even if you

4015
02:44:04,790 --> 02:44:02,880
just do one string of lights in your

4016
02:44:06,710 --> 02:44:04,800
window and a wreath on the door that way

4017
02:44:08,870 --> 02:44:06,720
you won't get the um

4018
02:44:10,550 --> 02:44:08,880
the title of the new scrooge in the

4019
02:44:12,070 --> 02:44:10,560
neighborhood yeah i know

4020
02:44:15,190 --> 02:44:12,080
if you put up nothing you're gonna be

4021
02:44:17,510 --> 02:44:15,200
the scrooge yeah i would want that i was

4022
02:44:20,710 --> 02:44:17,520
i was at trader joe's uh the other day

4023
02:44:22,469 --> 02:44:20,720
and they had the fresh wreaths out front

4024
02:44:24,389 --> 02:44:22,479
man i really need to do that i don't

4025
02:44:26,230 --> 02:44:24,399
need to be the scrooge so maybe i'll

4026
02:44:27,190 --> 02:44:26,240
maybe i'll at least get something up on

4027
02:44:29,990 --> 02:44:27,200
the door

4028
02:44:33,110 --> 02:44:30,000
but uh yeah yeah yeah

4029
02:44:35,269 --> 02:44:33,120
something it's a plan so the last

4030
02:44:36,469 --> 02:44:35,279
yeah i mean anything you know anything

4031
02:44:37,990 --> 02:44:36,479
is good otherwise you're going to be

4032
02:44:39,030 --> 02:44:38,000
labeled the scrooge in the neighborhood

4033
02:44:41,030 --> 02:44:39,040
and you said all your neighbors are

4034
02:44:42,630 --> 02:44:41,040
putting their stuff up hey last time we

4035
02:44:44,630 --> 02:44:42,640
talked it was on thanksgiving night we

4036
02:44:47,269 --> 02:44:44,640
talked about if you could only pick one

4037
02:44:49,670 --> 02:44:47,279
side dish i figured out since then what

4038
02:44:51,750 --> 02:44:49,680
one thing you cannot do without even if

4039
02:44:53,429 --> 02:44:51,760
you have every other thing you love the

4040
02:44:56,150 --> 02:44:53,439
one thing that you have to have

4041
02:45:00,550 --> 02:44:56,160
otherwise the whole plate is a no-go you

4042
02:45:04,870 --> 02:45:02,790
the gravy's missing then the whole meal

4043
02:45:07,030 --> 02:45:04,880
is black yeah i'll tip the table over

4044
02:45:10,309 --> 02:45:07,040
crucial thing you have to have yeah i i

4045
02:45:12,710 --> 02:45:10,319
tip the table over and walk out

4046
02:45:14,550 --> 02:45:12,720
i i would that's what i would do hey deb

4047
02:45:16,870 --> 02:45:14,560
enjoy the rest of your night and thank

4048
02:45:18,630 --> 02:45:16,880
you for calling

4049
02:45:20,550 --> 02:45:18,640
hey i'm theater night if i have time i

4050
02:45:21,910 --> 02:45:20,560
have a great time travel story that i

4051
02:45:23,750 --> 02:45:21,920
want to tell i know there's no time

4052
02:45:25,830 --> 02:45:23,760
tonight but if i can get through on

4053
02:45:27,190 --> 02:45:25,840
thursday i've got a wonderful time

4054
02:45:29,110 --> 02:45:27,200
travel that i really want to share with

4055
02:45:30,870 --> 02:45:29,120
the faders okay all right we'll see you

4056
02:45:33,750 --> 02:45:30,880
on thursday

4057
02:45:36,070 --> 02:45:33,760
okay take care jimmy good night or not

4058
02:45:39,590 --> 02:45:36,080
let's love you guys

4059
02:45:42,309 --> 02:45:39,600
deb from sacramento

4060
02:45:45,429 --> 02:45:42,319
and uh yeah i i just ran out of time the

4061
02:45:48,389 --> 02:45:45,439
the lights were a great plan

4062
02:45:51,670 --> 02:45:48,399
i i i had it figured out i mean that was

4063
02:45:53,750 --> 02:45:51,680
it and i just ran out of time i ran out

4064
02:45:55,590 --> 02:45:53,760
of time let's see who's up next hi

4065
02:45:57,429 --> 02:45:55,600
you're live i'm fade to black turn me

4066
02:46:00,870 --> 02:45:57,439
down in the background

4067
02:46:03,269 --> 02:46:00,880
okay you're live who's calling

4068
02:46:07,910 --> 02:46:03,279
how you doing this uh jimmy

4069
02:46:27,269 --> 02:46:08,630
i

4070
02:46:30,469 --> 02:46:27,279
really good

4071
02:46:31,750 --> 02:46:30,479
with abby yes yes

4072
02:46:33,910 --> 02:46:31,760
he is

4073
02:46:35,190 --> 02:46:33,920
pretty good it just stays listening to

4074
02:46:36,790 --> 02:46:35,200
him

4075
02:46:40,230 --> 02:46:36,800
and i just want to ask you a question on

4076
02:46:44,389 --> 02:46:42,550
i guess you're familiar with uh

4077
02:46:46,309 --> 02:46:44,399
richard hogland

4078
02:46:48,790 --> 02:46:46,319
richard hoagland

4079
02:46:51,349 --> 02:46:48,800
yeah yeah yeah yeah um yeah i just have

4080
02:46:53,910 --> 02:46:51,359
to question yeah i was listening he's

4081
02:46:55,590 --> 02:46:53,920
got stuff about the far side of the moon

4082
02:46:58,070 --> 02:46:55,600
and i don't want you know it take a tick

4083
02:46:59,750 --> 02:46:58,080
your time up but what do you think about

4084
02:47:02,230 --> 02:46:59,760
that he says there's all structures up

4085
02:47:05,590 --> 02:47:02,240
there and everything and now i always

4086
02:47:07,030 --> 02:47:05,600
read on uh google today that they had a

4087
02:47:09,030 --> 02:47:07,040
uh

4088
02:47:11,110 --> 02:47:09,040
well yesterday i should say

4089
02:47:12,389 --> 02:47:11,120
they found a cube

4090
02:47:14,230 --> 02:47:12,399
like a house

4091
02:47:17,830 --> 02:47:14,240
a square on the far side of the moon the

4092
02:47:19,110 --> 02:47:17,840
chinese yes with their rover yep

4093
02:47:20,710 --> 02:47:19,120
what

4094
02:47:22,389 --> 02:47:20,720
does anybody hear anything more about

4095
02:47:24,870 --> 02:47:22,399
that or is it what is it a rock

4096
02:47:27,030 --> 02:47:24,880
formation or is it

4097
02:47:28,309 --> 02:47:27,040
check it out a little bit more yeah i

4098
02:47:33,190 --> 02:47:28,319
saw

4099
02:47:35,510 --> 02:47:33,200
bill in the chat room put up the link

4100
02:47:37,590 --> 02:47:35,520
for it and i was asking about it there's

4101
02:47:39,510 --> 02:47:37,600
a couple of things okay so anyway i saw

4102
02:47:40,670 --> 02:47:39,520
it for the first time tonight

4103
02:47:44,550 --> 02:47:40,680
and

4104
02:47:46,550 --> 02:47:44,560
space.com which is you know that's a

4105
02:47:49,590 --> 02:47:46,560
extremely legit

4106
02:47:51,670 --> 02:47:49,600
uh site i go to space.com all the time

4107
02:47:53,750 --> 02:47:51,680
and they've got the video up

4108
02:47:54,550 --> 02:47:53,760
and so

4109
02:47:57,030 --> 02:47:54,560
uh

4110
02:47:58,389 --> 02:47:57,040
i forget the name of the chinese rover

4111
02:48:01,990 --> 02:47:58,399
that they've got on the dark side of the

4112
02:48:07,030 --> 02:48:04,710
and so i'm looking at the video and

4113
02:48:08,630 --> 02:48:07,040
they're calling it a hut some we're

4114
02:48:10,150 --> 02:48:08,640
calling it a cube

4115
02:48:12,630 --> 02:48:10,160
you can see

4116
02:48:15,349 --> 02:48:12,640
uh a structure now

4117
02:48:17,269 --> 02:48:15,359
this isn't the hoaglan stuff okay that's

4118
02:48:18,870 --> 02:48:17,279
that's a whole nother that's a whole

4119
02:48:20,550 --> 02:48:18,880
nother consideration

4120
02:48:22,309 --> 02:48:20,560
but he talks about other stuff over

4121
02:48:23,990 --> 02:48:22,319
there about being up on the far side of

4122
02:48:26,150 --> 02:48:24,000
the moon

4123
02:48:27,110 --> 02:48:26,160
structures that go all the way up right

4124
02:48:28,389 --> 02:48:27,120
i don't know

4125
02:48:31,910 --> 02:48:28,399
right all right what's he's talking

4126
02:48:33,269 --> 02:48:31,920
about that what so uh putting hogelin

4127
02:48:37,990 --> 02:48:33,279
aside

4128
02:48:40,550 --> 02:48:38,000
this video shows something um off in the

4129
02:48:41,429 --> 02:48:40,560
distance on the horizon of the moon

4130
02:48:45,590 --> 02:48:41,439
and

4131
02:48:48,630 --> 02:48:45,600
it looks like to me uh it looks like two

4132
02:48:50,950 --> 02:48:48,640
or three posts that are going i don't

4133
02:48:53,349 --> 02:48:50,960
know how to explain it but it is off in

4134
02:48:54,950 --> 02:48:53,359
the distance so it's got to be big

4135
02:48:57,269 --> 02:48:54,960
and it's

4136
02:48:58,550 --> 02:48:57,279
three things that are sticking up think

4137
02:49:00,230 --> 02:48:58,560
it looks like three i'm gonna have to go

4138
02:49:01,670 --> 02:49:00,240
back and look at it again

4139
02:49:04,630 --> 02:49:01,680
um now

4140
02:49:05,990 --> 02:49:04,640
you can't yeah you know you try to

4141
02:49:08,309 --> 02:49:06,000
like you know

4142
02:49:09,030 --> 02:49:08,319
magnify it and then it gets you know

4143
02:49:10,550 --> 02:49:09,040
like

4144
02:49:12,309 --> 02:49:10,560
messed up you really can't see it you

4145
02:49:14,950 --> 02:49:12,319
know yeah well they did that they did

4146
02:49:15,280 --> 02:49:14,960
that on space.com and

4147
02:49:16,469 --> 02:49:15,290
uh

4148
02:49:17,590 --> 02:49:16,479
[Music]

4149
02:49:24,150 --> 02:49:17,600
the

4150
02:49:27,110 --> 02:49:24,160
perfectly in focus probably because it's

4151
02:49:29,750 --> 02:49:27,120
at a great distance away um so you don't

4152
02:49:31,990 --> 02:49:29,760
have that and so when space.com has

4153
02:49:33,590 --> 02:49:32,000
blown up that section and and brought it

4154
02:49:36,309 --> 02:49:33,600
out now

4155
02:49:38,469 --> 02:49:36,319
i don't think that that's really that

4156
02:49:41,750 --> 02:49:38,479
big of a deal that it's out of focus

4157
02:49:43,110 --> 02:49:41,760
what is clear in this is that there is

4158
02:49:44,710 --> 02:49:43,120
something there

4159
02:49:46,710 --> 02:49:44,720
i don't know what it is though

4160
02:49:48,389 --> 02:49:46,720
uh could it be natural

4161
02:49:49,910 --> 02:49:48,399
i don't know

4162
02:49:50,630 --> 02:49:49,920
uh

4163
02:49:53,830 --> 02:49:50,640
is

4164
02:49:55,269 --> 02:49:53,840
if it's not natural holy crap we've got

4165
02:49:58,070 --> 02:49:55,279
something else here we've got a whole

4166
02:49:59,429 --> 02:49:58,080
other discussion um it was kind of

4167
02:50:00,309 --> 02:49:59,439
strange

4168
02:50:02,469 --> 02:50:00,319
uh

4169
02:50:04,950 --> 02:50:02,479
to me i'm kind of bummed out i just had

4170
02:50:06,790 --> 02:50:04,960
avi loeb on the show had i known this

4171
02:50:09,910 --> 02:50:06,800
earlier today i would have asked avi

4172
02:50:13,349 --> 02:50:10,870
but

4173
02:50:15,030 --> 02:50:13,359
i didn't i didn't hear about it till uh

4174
02:50:16,389 --> 02:50:15,040
until the show tonight it's very

4175
02:50:18,230 --> 02:50:16,399
interesting

4176
02:50:21,269 --> 02:50:18,240
i'm gonna go and take another look at it

4177
02:50:23,110 --> 02:50:21,279
uh after the show tonight and tomorrow

4178
02:50:24,950 --> 02:50:23,120
and i'll get everybody else's opinions

4179
02:50:27,429 --> 02:50:24,960
but it's uh it's pretty interesting i'm

4180
02:50:30,950 --> 02:50:27,439
wondering if there's other imaging

4181
02:50:33,750 --> 02:50:30,960
uh out there uh that is better than what

4182
02:50:36,710 --> 02:50:33,760
space.com had access to

4183
02:50:39,030 --> 02:50:36,720
um but yeah i'm going to uh take another

4184
02:50:40,950 --> 02:50:39,040
look at it's very interesting pete well

4185
02:50:43,429 --> 02:50:40,960
well you know that there's other like

4186
02:50:44,550 --> 02:50:43,439
where there's one site that that was on

4187
02:50:46,630 --> 02:50:44,560
you know

4188
02:50:48,469 --> 02:50:46,640
the site i was looking at and then they

4189
02:50:50,230 --> 02:50:48,479
all said they showed

4190
02:50:51,349 --> 02:50:50,240
square

4191
02:50:53,510 --> 02:50:51,359
of

4192
02:50:56,790 --> 02:50:53,520
what what could you say uh

4193
02:50:59,590 --> 02:50:56,800
it's like a a meteor landed on landed

4194
02:51:01,190 --> 02:50:59,600
there and it's like a rock landed there

4195
02:51:12,070 --> 02:51:01,200
that's what you're looking at but how

4196
02:51:15,510 --> 02:51:13,830
don't hold me to it

4197
02:51:17,190 --> 02:51:15,520
it's pretty far and then they're gonna

4198
02:51:20,630 --> 02:51:17,200
start looking at it they're gonna go

4199
02:51:23,510 --> 02:51:20,640
closer to it in the next few days oh man

4200
02:51:25,830 --> 02:51:23,520
yeah yeah hopefully the chinese

4201
02:51:27,269 --> 02:51:25,840
aren't going to hold back what they what

4202
02:51:29,030 --> 02:51:27,279
they find

4203
02:51:32,389 --> 02:51:29,040
you know that they're getting yeah that

4204
02:51:34,469 --> 02:51:32,399
set everything off yeah

4205
02:51:36,309 --> 02:51:34,479
right right right hey pete thank you for

4206
02:51:38,070 --> 02:51:36,319
the phone call man and we'll see you

4207
02:51:39,510 --> 02:51:38,080
tomorrow night

4208
02:51:41,510 --> 02:51:39,520
all right listen thanks a lot good

4209
02:51:43,349 --> 02:51:41,520
talking to you and it's uh i'll talk to

4210
02:51:46,790 --> 02:51:43,359
you again thanks a lot thank you so much

4211
02:51:48,309 --> 02:51:46,800
pete yeah and um there there was okay so

4212
02:51:50,550 --> 02:51:48,319
bill uh

4213
02:51:52,389 --> 02:51:50,560
sent me that video if anybody else has

4214
02:51:54,950 --> 02:51:52,399
got anything else that they can show me

4215
02:51:57,670 --> 02:51:54,960
on this uh post it up there on twitter i

4216
02:51:59,830 --> 02:51:57,680
would love to go and check it out i will

4217
02:52:02,150 --> 02:51:59,840
uh do the deep dive into this and then

4218
02:52:06,469 --> 02:52:02,160
there was another comment

4219
02:52:10,550 --> 02:52:06,479
in the chat room tonight uh about

4220
02:52:12,230 --> 02:52:10,560
uh an intern at a university i didn't

4221
02:52:16,469 --> 02:52:12,240
really catch all of it

4222
02:52:19,110 --> 02:52:16,479
um has accidentally found an object

4223
02:52:21,030 --> 02:52:19,120
uh that was heading towards saturn and

4224
02:52:22,710 --> 02:52:21,040
slowing down

4225
02:52:23,990 --> 02:52:22,720
i haven't heard anything about this

4226
02:52:24,950 --> 02:52:24,000
either

4227
02:52:26,870 --> 02:52:24,960
um

4228
02:52:29,349 --> 02:52:26,880
is is there anything to that i don't

4229
02:52:30,309 --> 02:52:29,359
know i i just saw it in the chat room

4230
02:52:32,469 --> 02:52:30,319
tonight

4231
02:52:35,030 --> 02:52:32,479
i don't know if this is just it you know

4232
02:52:38,550 --> 02:52:35,040
internet gossip or or something that's

4233
02:52:41,590 --> 02:52:38,560
made up or if it's if it's factual if

4234
02:52:43,269 --> 02:52:41,600
somebody can provide any information to

4235
02:52:45,830 --> 02:52:43,279
me on that

4236
02:52:48,150 --> 02:52:45,840
yeah here uh nelson is posting yeah

4237
02:52:50,230 --> 02:52:48,160
that's pretty interesting

4238
02:52:53,030 --> 02:52:50,240
yeah that's uh

4239
02:52:55,349 --> 02:52:53,040
okay so it's two

4240
02:52:56,710 --> 02:52:55,359
it's two not three i'm looking at this

4241
02:52:57,910 --> 02:52:56,720
enhancement here thank you for this

4242
02:52:59,910 --> 02:52:57,920
nelson

4243
02:53:02,230 --> 02:52:59,920
and uh looking at the second image it's

4244
02:53:04,309 --> 02:53:02,240
two with a with the top it looks like

4245
02:53:07,030 --> 02:53:04,319
stonehenge man

4246
02:53:08,830 --> 02:53:07,040
a section of stonehenge

4247
02:53:11,510 --> 02:53:08,840
that's pretty

4248
02:53:13,269 --> 02:53:11,520
interesting yeah

4249
02:53:15,910 --> 02:53:13,279
thank you for that nelson

4250
02:53:17,510 --> 02:53:15,920
and uh i'm gonna retweet this before the

4251
02:53:19,670 --> 02:53:17,520
end of the show i'm gonna just gonna do

4252
02:53:20,630 --> 02:53:19,680
this now

4253
02:53:23,990 --> 02:53:20,640
what

4254
02:53:25,670 --> 02:53:24,000
does everybody

4255
02:53:28,830 --> 02:53:25,680
think

4256
02:53:33,269 --> 02:53:28,840
about this

4257
02:53:35,910 --> 02:53:34,710
on the

4258
02:53:38,790 --> 02:53:35,920
dark

4259
02:53:41,030 --> 02:53:38,800
side of the moon

4260
02:53:43,510 --> 02:53:41,040
okay i want everybody's opinions i am

4261
02:53:44,469 --> 02:53:43,520
posting this now

4262
02:53:46,550 --> 02:53:44,479
and

4263
02:53:49,830 --> 02:53:46,560
any other information you guys can send

4264
02:53:52,070 --> 02:53:49,840
my way i would really appreciate it

4265
02:53:54,950 --> 02:53:52,080
i would really appreciate it now so uh

4266
02:53:57,269 --> 02:53:54,960
this intern at a university

4267
02:53:59,590 --> 02:53:57,279
spotting an object that is approaching

4268
02:54:01,830 --> 02:53:59,600
saturn and slowing down

4269
02:54:05,349 --> 02:54:01,840
i immediately we're talking about this

4270
02:54:08,309 --> 02:54:05,359
in in uh in the chat room i immediately

4271
02:54:11,110 --> 02:54:08,319
think of rendezvous with rama arthur c

4272
02:54:12,630 --> 02:54:11,120
clarke a great series of books

4273
02:54:16,630 --> 02:54:12,640
and uh

4274
02:54:20,150 --> 02:54:16,640
that was i i'll never forget that page

4275
02:54:21,429 --> 02:54:20,160
uh in in rendezvous with rama said the

4276
02:54:24,309 --> 02:54:21,439
object

4277
02:54:27,269 --> 02:54:24,319
is slowing down what do you mean slowing

4278
02:54:30,309 --> 02:54:27,279
down kind of like independence day

4279
02:54:31,750 --> 02:54:30,319
uh nothing slows down

4280
02:54:35,429 --> 02:54:31,760
on its own

4281
02:54:37,750 --> 02:54:35,439
and now is there an actual object uh

4282
02:54:40,389 --> 02:54:37,760
approaching saturn i haven't heard

4283
02:54:42,389 --> 02:54:40,399
anything about this so if anybody out

4284
02:54:44,630 --> 02:54:42,399
there has got information that they can

4285
02:54:46,309 --> 02:54:44,640
provide to me you know my email to me at

4286
02:54:48,309 --> 02:54:46,319
jimmychurchradio.com

4287
02:54:51,429 --> 02:54:48,319
you can follow me on twitter at j church

4288
02:54:53,830 --> 02:54:51,439
radio post it up in hashtag f2b

4289
02:54:55,110 --> 02:54:53,840
and i will see it right there in the

4290
02:54:56,870 --> 02:54:55,120
sandbox

4291
02:54:58,389 --> 02:54:56,880
very interesting times that we find

4292
02:55:01,110 --> 02:54:58,399
ourselves in

4293
02:55:02,790 --> 02:55:01,120
this is uh pretty interesting this dark

4294
02:55:03,590 --> 02:55:02,800
side of the moon

4295
02:55:04,950 --> 02:55:03,600
uh

4296
02:55:08,389 --> 02:55:04,960
capture

4297
02:55:11,750 --> 02:55:08,399
is more than interesting

4298
02:55:13,670 --> 02:55:11,760
i have no idea and if these images are

4299
02:55:15,030 --> 02:55:13,680
even close to what

4300
02:55:18,230 --> 02:55:15,040
it could be

4301
02:55:20,710 --> 02:55:18,240
holy crap there is something on the dark

4302
02:55:23,429 --> 02:55:20,720
side of the moon and uh avi talked about

4303
02:55:25,349 --> 02:55:23,439
this i've only got 30 seconds avi talked

4304
02:55:28,550 --> 02:55:25,359
about this tonight on the show

4305
02:55:30,710 --> 02:55:28,560
when i i asked ah avi point blank i said

4306
02:55:33,030 --> 02:55:30,720
what would you think

4307
02:55:35,910 --> 02:55:33,040
if there was an object an archaeologist

4308
02:55:38,870 --> 02:55:35,920
some dig site you know pulls up a

4309
02:55:40,309 --> 02:55:38,880
hundred million year old uh

4310
02:55:42,070 --> 02:55:40,319
piece of tech

4311
02:55:43,110 --> 02:55:42,080
alien he said that wouldn't surprise me

4312
02:55:45,590 --> 02:55:43,120
at all

4313
02:55:48,309 --> 02:55:45,600
um it wouldn't he said but i'll tell you

4314
02:55:50,230 --> 02:55:48,319
what it's the moon

4315
02:55:52,309 --> 02:55:50,240
the moon

4316
02:55:54,790 --> 02:55:52,319
you know it sucks it in there's the

4317
02:55:57,269 --> 02:55:54,800
gravity that is there you can see all of

4318
02:55:58,950 --> 02:55:57,279
the impact sites all around the moon and

4319
02:56:01,590 --> 02:55:58,960
it wouldn't surprise me

4320
02:56:03,670 --> 02:56:01,600
if something was found on the moon first

4321
02:56:07,830 --> 02:56:03,680
that's what avi said today

4322
02:56:10,790 --> 02:56:07,840
and then boom we have uh the chinese

4323
02:56:13,190 --> 02:56:10,800
with this video and this this object

4324
02:56:15,030 --> 02:56:13,200
this anomaly this structure

4325
02:56:17,750 --> 02:56:15,040
on the dark side of the moon it is

4326
02:56:19,110 --> 02:56:17,760
absolutely fascinating what a great

4327
02:56:21,269 --> 02:56:19,120
night tonight on the show i want to

4328
02:56:23,590 --> 02:56:21,279
thank everybody hanging out

4329
02:56:26,230 --> 02:56:23,600
over in the chat room that was just so

4330
02:56:29,110 --> 02:56:26,240
much fun i wish i could do it more uh

4331
02:56:30,870 --> 02:56:29,120
tomorrow night here on fade to black it

4332
02:56:33,429 --> 02:56:30,880
is the return

4333
02:56:35,389 --> 02:56:33,439
of jason quit so you're not going to

4334
02:56:37,110 --> 02:56:35,399
want to miss that tomorrow night's not

4335
02:56:39,269 --> 02:56:37,120
conspiracy

4336
02:56:41,990 --> 02:56:39,279
no we've got other things to get caught

4337
02:56:44,790 --> 02:56:42,000
up on with jason so that is tomorrow

4338
02:56:46,790 --> 02:56:44,800
night right here on fade to black i am

4339
02:56:48,710 --> 02:56:46,800
your host jimmy church and then what are

4340
02:56:52,309 --> 02:56:48,720
we doing on

4341
02:56:55,110 --> 02:56:52,319
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4342
02:56:56,469 --> 02:56:55,120
i can't even remember now what are you

4343
02:56:58,150 --> 02:56:56,479
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4344
02:56:59,830 --> 02:56:58,160
wednesday night on the show i can't

4345
02:57:00,870 --> 02:56:59,840
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4346
02:57:07,590 --> 02:57:00,880
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4347
02:57:09,110 --> 02:57:07,600
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4356
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4358
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4360
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4364
02:57:48,309 --> 02:57:46,000
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4365
02:57:50,710 --> 02:57:48,319
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4366
02:57:51,830 --> 02:57:50,720
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